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Posted: August 20 2018 at 7:20pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

Nope that wasn't it

Can't do it.

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Posted: August 21 2018 at 12:02am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Holy cow
Try Henry customer service first ....there is a link to the
president of the company if that doesn't work ......He
helped me before......
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Posted: August 21 2018 at 5:16am | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

REM1875 wrote:
Holy cow
Try Henry customer service first ....there is a link to the
president of the company if that doesn't work ......He
helped me before......


That's on my list today. I got one reply from customer service telling me
they couldn't help me because they only recommend using factory ammo in
their rifles... well, that ain't happenin. Besides, the rifles still do not preform
satisfactorily with factory ammo.

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Posted: August 21 2018 at 1:00pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

This just in from Henry. Good to have this type of customer service.

Alan



Hello Alan,

Sorry to hear about the poor factory ammo performance. Since you have
done all you can do at home, I recommend that you send whichever gun or
guns that are still having problems back for our repair shop to inspect and
repair under warranty.

To do this, you can go to our web site and file a warranty claim by following
the instructions here:


File a separate claim for each gun if needed. A UPS return-shipping label will
be generated and sent to you to cover the cost of shipping the rifle(s), which
includes insurance. We will get this issue resolved for you.


Regards,

Jeffrey Post
Technical Customer Service

Henry Repeating Arms, Co.
59 East 1st Street
Bayonne, NJ 07002

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Posted: August 21 2018 at 7:11pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Bummer Alan after waiting so long for em .......
Let's see what henry's does .....
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Posted: August 21 2018 at 7:50pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

I know. But, I'd rather have them in good shape. A dangerous rifle or one
that won't hit where I aim is of little use to me.

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Posted: August 29 2018 at 2:33pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

The rifles are on their way back to Henry.

I dumped the production pot and melted some pure linotype. They are
casting .4575 - .458 and .411 -.412. I guess that'll be my next attempt when
I get them back. Probably need to slug the bores as well.


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Alan

Do you have an update on these guns? Henry cust. svc took good care of me but it took two trips back.

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Posted: October 01 2018 at 7:13pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

I got the rifles back on Friday. They changed out the barrels on both, sights
on the 45-70, trigger guard on the 41 and adjusted lockup on both.
Supposedly they shot both guns and made no remarks about performance. I
have not had a chance to shoot them myself but perhaps tomorrow
afternoon I can break away for an hour or so to do that.

I sure hope they shoot okay. I think they are beautiful rifles.

I did slug the bore on the 45-70 though .4575/.458 groove to groove. I
guess I'll have to get a mould that will cast a .459 or .460 bullet for that rifle
if the mould I have now doesn't shoot well.

Henry has great customer service. They maintained contact with me
throughout (although they did not provide specifics about what was wrong)
the process.

The proof of course will come on paper.

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Posted: October 01 2018 at 8:23pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Alan as you have already found out the composition of the
'lead' makes for a difference in bullet size. So does the
time from casting.
This is the basic formulae most molds use for bullet size
and casting ... it's called Lyman #2

Lyman #2 consists of 90% Lead, 5% Tin and 5% Antimony

Their are formulas to get this composition or similar or
you may buy it pre-mixed.
Fluxing seems to be an important part of keeping this
composition .....stirring the pot while burning bees wax
on top. (many of us have found many things from wood
chip to crayons also work)

If I am preaching to the choir I apologise ....
It's a good hobby in itself .......
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Posted: October 01 2018 at 9:01pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

Don't worry about giving me too much information. I normally use a flux
product that I got from Lee when I got the production pot. It's about gone
though. I've used cedar and beeswax as well. These larger diameter bullets
have a whole new learning curve from my other casting experience. I've cast
bullets for my 45 Colts and 45 ACPs but I guess with the smaller weights I
have not noticed the shrinkage. When they pass through the size die the get
sized. I found that the 405 gr .457s were not even touching the size die on
the way through. The other bullets I've cast are 30 cal and .323 for 8x57.
They all cast and size correctly.

This 45-70 experiment has opened my eyes to a whole nuther level of
casting techniques.

Feel free to give me any info you can. It won't hurt my feelings at all.

Thanks for the replies.

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Posted: October 01 2018 at 10:48pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Distance from the spout when poured can make a small
difference to... with the large ones....
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I just use ordinary candle wax for flux, seems to work fine.

Oddly, the Lee molds I have seem to cast at .460 or bigger. I've never tried it, but because they are both inexpensive and aluminum, they are easy to lap out to make them cast a bit larger.

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Posted: October 02 2018 at 12:09pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

Well, the 45-70 shot okay. 3" 3 shot group semi offhand (elbow resting on
the hod of the truck) at 50 yards. I'm ok with that until I can get bagged in
proper.

The 41 mag was still all over the place and splitting cases in the same place
in the same pattern as before (Henry said they replaced the barrel). I don't
know what I'm going to do with that rifle but I know I'm NOT going to keep
it. My confidence is completely gone with it.

I'll write Henry and if they won't replace the rifle with another one, I'll have
the barrel changed out for something else that the bolt face will handle.   I
can't in good conscience sell something I know is malfunctioning.

Henry makes the statement that they aren't satisfied until the customer is
satisfied. We'll see. So far they've been pretty good about it. I'd much rather
have a working rifle out of the box than excellent customer service on
repeated warranty work.

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Posted: October 02 2018 at 12:13pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

The last bullets I cast I held the mould about 1/2" from the spout and ran a
good glob over the sprue plate so the mould could suck up as much lead as
it wanted.

Lapping out my current mould might be what I do until I find a diameter that
shoots in my rifle.

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Posted: October 02 2018 at 1:09pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Alan
Contact Mr Imparato, the president. In the past he has been
most responsive to me.
I have been the beneficiary of his generosity and
assistance in the past.
Make sure you send a split casing with the rifle .....
The barrel change should have fixed any chamber problem but
it clear there is most likely more to it......
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As far as fluxing goes when casting with a
lead alloy the method that works for me is
to use random wood sticks from the
kindling pile as a stir stick that because
it is wood does double duty as a flux.
Just be careful where you put the stick
down after pulling it from the pot since
it will tend to be smoldering. Not a
problem with a steel plate bench top like
I have but wouldn't be good with a plywood
work bench top !!!

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Posted: October 02 2018 at 8:31pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

I'm going to buy some more factory ammo for it and try that (although I don't
think it will make any difference). Yes, and then I will contact him and see
what he thinks about the issue.

I have a piece of sheet aluminum covering my work area for casting.

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Posted: October 03 2018 at 7:16am | IP Logged Quote doghawg

Alan....It sounds a little far fetched but could Henry have mis-marked a .44 barrel with a .41 stamp? It's kind of embarrassing but I know for a fact that .41 cases will reliably split in a .44 chamber..

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Posted: October 03 2018 at 9:38pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

I've measured and slugged the bore. It's a 41. In fact the slug measured at
.405.

But, now that you mentioned it, I have not checked the chamber. They could
have reamed a 44 chamber in a 41 barrel. I guess it could happen.

But, they claimed to have changed the barrel (replaced). I really don't think
they did. I have 9 split cases from before the repair and 8 split cases from
after and they all look the same. Same location in the chamber, same pattern
of split.

If this were a used gun, I'd take my lumps and re-barrel it myself. But this is
a new gun. I really kinda expect new performance from it. I know it's not a
target rifle but it's not a shotgun either.

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