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Posted: July 31 2018 at 4:35pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

People often wonder if those who cast ever purchase
bullets. Well back when my casting didn't keep up with my
shooting I had a friend in Radford to purchase bullets
from for my 38 Special. These were run of the mill machine
cast from 92-6-2 with hard lube. Not the best bullet but
with 3.0 grains of Bullseye I could keep my old 6" Smith
going. The bullet is a .358", 158 grain, RNFP.





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Looks like a good, basic .38 bullet design. What diameter are they? Seems most commercially cast bullets are too hard and too small.

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Posted: July 31 2018 at 5:22pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

These were sized .358" & fit my sixgun fine. They were
very hard at 21-22 BHN. I finally got him to stop water
quenching my bullets & they soften to about 15 which
helped but still to hard.

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Posted: August 01 2018 at 6:00pm | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

When I bought my Ruger .45 Colt convertible I bought a box
of cast bullets that didn't look nearly that good. That
was a long time ago. I ordered a mold from Midway and when
it got here the rest went into the pot....

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Posted: August 01 2018 at 6:52pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

I've bought some cast bullets, I've acquired more store bought bullets on
trades and from people who thought they wanted to reload and then decided
that it wasn't for them.

I cast the greater majority of the ones I shoot and save the store bought for
"someday".

Those look like some good bullets. They'll keep you busy loading and
shooting.

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Posted: August 01 2018 at 7:02pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

I shot all these up several frosty mornings ago. I'm
casting every thing lead I shoot & have been for the last
10 or 15 years.

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Posted: August 01 2018 at 7:22pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

There's a lot of folks who think they want to reload. Then they find out that
it's more than just filling up cases with powder and they give up on it. I've
picked up lots of powder and bullets and some equipment this way. I'll keep
bullets and primers and unopened powder containers. I used to keep all the
powder until one day I found a container with two different kinds of powder
in it. I decided that wasn't worth the risk.

I've been casting for a while too. It's a lot easier now with the Lee furnace
than it was with my grandfather pouring with a ladle 50 years ago. Trouble
is these days I don't shoot as much as I cast. But I have sons and they take
up the slack.

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Unfortunately, I'm probably going to have
to buy a NOE mold and spend more time
casting for my 25-ACP.

Previously, I purchased all my cast lead
25-ACP bullets from an online seller that
was using the RCBS mold and powder coating
them. He was only charging just under $40
including shipping to my doorstep per 500
count bag and he was not sizing them down
but was powder coating them "as cast" plus
what the powder coating added to their
diameter so they were nice and fat and
worked great for my guns. So I found it
worth my while to just buy from him then
cast my own especially since the only 25-
ACP mold I currently own is a single
cavity homemade mold without a proper
sprue plate that I have to slice the bases
flush with a razor knife before opening
the mold.

Unfortunately, I went to do a re-order a
couple weeks ago and his entire website is
just gone. So my supplier went out of
business.   

Looked around and only found two places
selling commercial cast 25-ACP bullets
both of which are running them through a
0.251" lube-sizer and thus making them
practically useless for my needs. Might
contact them to see if either is willing
to sell me some unsized "as cast" from the
mold. But I'm probably going to have to
end up buying the NOE mold and messing
around with trying to cast those little
buggers. It's not just a mold cost and
casting time issue. It's also a hastle
issue. Once you start getting into those
tiny little cast bullets they can become a
real hastle to cast.

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Posted: August 01 2018 at 8:03pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

25 ACP? My fingers can barely hold onto 9mm cases and bullets (and those
not very well) . I don't think I could do well on 25 ACP.

I had a cheap (Raven) 25 years ago. One of the few guns I ever traded off. I
traded it even for a bicycle for my #2 son when he was 4. Probably a good
trade for me.

I have a Mustang and a Baby Browning still, although I don't have much
occasion to shoot them.

I own a 32 ACP now, I don't ever shoot it, don't reload for it and refuse to buy
inflated ammo for it. I've got a couple of boxes. I'll give it to one of my sons
some day and they can do with it as they please. It's a Llama.

I buy all my 9mm ammo because I can buy it for less than I can reload it, my
time considered. I do load all but my carry ammo in 45 ACP though. 45 is
the only semi auto pistol ammo I load. I use a 200 gr mold and a 185 gr
SWC mold for 45 ACP.

There's a lot of guys who get really scientific about casting and make some
really nice bullets. That's not me. I don't mind some wrinkles as long as the
bullet is sound. I use primarily Lee molds and I'll cast about 5-10 bullets and
let it cool, use another mold and let it cool, and so on through all the molds I
have. When I'm done I'll have a big pile of bullets to sort. I put them in bags
until I get a few hundred of each and then size all at once. I use Lee Liquid
Alox for lube.

About the time I get to feeling good about the whole thing someone will call
and say they have a bucket of wheelweights or some other kind of scrap lead
and do I want it.... then I realize the depth of my addiction. Sorting out the
steel and zinc, making ingots, and then more bullets....

I love it.


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Posted: August 01 2018 at 10:30pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Alan McDaniel wrote:
25 ACP? . . .


Actually its not that bad, so long as you flare the
mouth of the case sufficiently that the bullet sits in
the case mouth flare by itself and just raise the
press ram gently without holding onto anything into
the seating die.

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. . . I own a 32 ACP now, I don't ever shoot
it, don't reload for it and refuse to buy
inflated ammo for it. . .


32-ACP is one of my favorites and I have been casting
my own to load for that one for years. I have a
beautiful custom brass three cavity mold from Accurate
Molds for my 32-ACP specifically that is a joy to cast
with since the brass blocks really help with
maintaining enough heat despite the small mass of the
bullets. I designed the bullet profile myself and he
cut it to my specs, its design # 31-087T in his
catalog and it works wonderfully for 32-ACP, all the
32-cal revolver cartridges I've used it in (32-S&W
short and long, 32-H&R Mag, 327-Mag) and sized down a
little it works acceptably well in the 7.62x25.






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. . . I do load all but my carry ammo in 45
ACP though. 45 is the only semi auto pistol ammo I
load. I use a 200 gr mold and a 185 gr SWC mold for
45 ACP.


Nice choices, SWC lead bullets are like magic on what
they do to living targets, I've taken deer with SWC
loads out of 45-ACP successfully. One small note,
theoretically handloads can be an issue in court if
you even have to actually use your carry piece. Not
saying don't carry reloads, I do for some guns and not
in some others. Only had to use my carry piece once
so far for real work and it was a 380 with handloads,
didn't have any legal issues as a result of using
reloads but it was a dog that was chewing on me that I
shot not a human. There have been a small number of
documented cases where prosecutors in criminal court
and plaintiffs in civil court have used handloads
against the defendant as a point in their argument.
But there also have been documented cases of them
using the defendants choice of factory ammo against
them as well. To each their own, just thought I would
mention it as an FYI.

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There's a lot of guys who get really scientific
about casting and make some really nice bullets.
That's not me. I don't mind some wrinkles as long as
the bullet is sound. I use primarily Lee molds . . .
get a few hundred of each and then size all at once. I
use Lee Liquid Alox for lube.

About the time I get to feeling good about the whole
thing someone will call and say they have a bucket of
wheelweights or some other kind of scrap lead and do I
want it.... then I realize the depth of my addiction.
Sorting out the steel and zinc, making ingots, and
then more bullets....

I love it.


Alan


I personally insist on full fill out, can't stand
wrinkled bullets, would rather cast too hot and have
them frost on me. Weight variance on the scale
between frost and a perfect temp cast is usually no
more then 0.1 grains unless the cast bullets are over
300 grains at which point it might bump up to 0.2
grains difference in weight on my scale. Where are
wrinkled bullets I've seen a full grain or more weight
variance.

I totally agree on the tumble lubing though. With
rare exceptions tumble lubing is adequate for most of
my needs although I prefer a mix of JPW, Alox, with
just a touch of mineral spirits to get the tumble lube
to dry a lot faster and be a harder varnish like non-
sticky finish compared to just using straight liquid
Alox.

For some things though it is nice to just buy up a
bunch of bullets someone else made and get straight to
the loading and shooting. Casting can be fun, but it
can also become a chore on the way to getting to the
fun part as well once it becomes monotonous.

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Posted: August 02 2018 at 5:03am | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

"...Alox, with
just a touch of mineral spirits to get the tumble lube
to dry a lot faster and be a harder varnish like non-
sticky finish compared to just using straight liquid
Alox. "

This is a tip I WILL use.

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Posted: August 02 2018 at 5:59am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

May Dad used to cast and reload for .25 ACP, I always thought it takes a real masochist to do that.

I have his dies and probably the mold around here somewhere, not gonna get a .25 ACP, but have one of his rifles in .22 rimfire that looks like someone may have started the conversion of the block to centerfire, but the chamber is still the same. There are guys out there who make essentially a centerfire version of the cartridge for such guns and I may play with that project at some point. Always seemed to me like the .25 rimfire made more sense if you wanted more than a .22 LR than the .22 WMR, .17 HMR, etc.

The .22 Hornet is as small as I go for casting and loading and it isn't too bad. I had real clear goals for what I wanted from the Hornet when I got into it, met those goals quickly and easily and then stopped messing with it. Goes against my nature as a gun nut and reloading geek, but there it is.

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Posted: August 04 2018 at 9:14pm | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

I seem to be one of those that casts more than shoot,
especially since I moved up here to Phenix City. In
Eufaula I'd walk out on the back porch and put a round or
two into an oak or pine, and on weekends I'd go to the
range. Since I've had my cancer surgeries and gotten older
and weaker I've depleted my firearm collection, or at
least left some in my son's house, and I just have a few
here, that I take to the Sheriff Office range when they
open it to the public, or the LGS that has an indoor
range. I collect a lot of once fired brass there, as the
range requires people who rent their guns buy factory ammo
that they sell. I have a huge collection of cleaned and
sized .45 acp brass, but no longer have a .45... Lots of
cast bullets for it and for .45 Colt, but don't have one
of those anymore. However, I can take them and turn them
into 9mm or .30 cal bullets for my single shot rifles. If
I hit the lottery I'll have a Ruger RH .45 colt/ .45 acp
in a flash....

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