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Posted: August 10 2018 at 7:25am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

My local Wal Mart had a pretty good deal on Winchester NATO spec. 9mm. For not much more than the steel cased, "throw away" stuff.

I shot some of it and it is indeed "stout".. It is advertised as being 10% higher pressure than standard 9mm.

A 124 grn, FMJ, at 1200. I will chronograph some just to see.

I think that this would be a good substitute for the custom hard cast, loads like the stuff from Buffalo Bore, which is quite "pricey"..

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Posted: August 12 2018 at 9:05am | IP Logged Quote John P.

Years ago, as we were transitioning from the 3rd generation S&W and
Beretta 92f pistols to the gen 3 Glocks, our Purchasing Department
bought the Winchester 9mm NATO for quarterly qualifications. They
likely got it at a good price or low bid. The load was definitely warm,
and our firing lines were filled with a mix of all three types of pistols.
The S&W pistols had a couple of malfunctions, probably nothing more
than usual. The Beretta pistols suffered one failed locking block in
about every group. The Gock gen 3 model 19 and 17 pistols ran
flawlessly.

Although I never cared for the 92f, to be fair, the pistols were getting
tired. At the time the pistols were at least 12-15 years old and were
personally owned, so I not sure how well maintained some were. When
I carried a 92, I changed the #13 recoil spring every 1500 rounds, and I
changed the locking block once as a preventative measure.

I believe those loads easily do 1200 FPS. Although I never
chronographed the NATO load, it did seem warmer than our duty round
the RA9TA.
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Posted: August 13 2018 at 5:26am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I got those at a good price, and will probably use them a bit sparingly.

I had a soft ball size piece of very hard basalt, the kind of stuff you can make tools out of. I had a session where I was making my own arrow heads out of stone..

I shot this lump of rock with some cast bullets in the .45 and just moved it around, out of curiosity I hit it with one of the nato rounds and I now have a bunch of chips that would make some nice cutting edges.
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Posted: August 13 2018 at 7:26pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

John Van Gelder wrote:
. . .

I had a soft ball size piece of very hard
basalt, the kind of stuff you can make
tools out of . . . out of curiosity I hit
it with one of the nato rounds and I now
have a bunch of chips that would make some
nice cutting edges.


It's not just the power of a 9mm NATO spec
round that does that. It is also the
projectile it is loaded with. I have a
large quantity of surplus pulled bullets I
got for cheap years ago from surplus
military spec 9mm that had been
disassembled and the guy was selling all
the components in batches.

Anyway those bullets have very thick very
hard metal jackets, much more so then any
commercial civilian 9mm projectiles. I
have loaded them for my 357-max carbine
rifle in stiff all out handloads and in
that configuration they penetrate like
crazy and will just zip right through
stuff that you wouldn't think they would
like good size diameter trees!

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Posted: August 14 2018 at 9:43am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

turbo1889

Exactly..

With most commercial, ammo like "Blazer Brass" and other stuff of the that ilk, the jackets are pretty thin and soft.

I have a lot of rocks so they are my target of choice, and I do not have to pick the remains up after shooting.

My hard cast bullets, are more destructive, on "stone" targets than the "economy range" ammo.



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Anyone played with the S&W 929 or any other 9 mm revolver?
The round in our Medusas shows extreme potential for
accuracy and I am just wondering ???      
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Posted: August 16 2018 at 4:21pm | IP Logged Quote STCM(SW)

The only 9mm revolver I see that is not over priced is a Charter Arms one.
Don't know how good they are....

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Posted: August 16 2018 at 4:26pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Thanks Master Chief
I like and often carry my Charter Arms 40 S&W PitBull and
like it.
Recoil is a bit stout .....

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Posted: August 17 2018 at 6:22am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I had a Charter Arms .44 spl, that was a bit of a handful with standard spl. ammo.

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Posted: August 17 2018 at 5:56pm | IP Logged Quote John P.

The newer Charter Arms and the older ones made in Stratford, CT are
decent budget priced revolvers. I have a newer Offduty model .38
Special that I like. Trigger is a bit heavier and not a smooth as a S&W J
frame, but the price tag is right.   Stay away from the ones marked
CHARCO.

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Posted: August 17 2018 at 6:09pm | IP Logged Quote John P.

REM1875 wrote:
Anyone played with the S&W 929 or any other 9
mm revolver?
The round in our Medusas shows extreme potential for
accuracy and I am just wondering ???      


I loaded years ago for a friend that had a Ruger convertible. That
revolver liked the heavier 147 grain Winchester JHP's that I was able to
get at the time in bulk from Midway. Best loads used Unique.

I always wished S&W would have come out with a model 66 in 9mm. I
would have liked a model 547, but could never find one.

Good luck with the Medusas. It should be fine with the 9mm. I always
found the 9mm to be inherently accurate.
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Posted: August 18 2018 at 5:42am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I was going to have a 9mm revolver it would be a Blackhawk convertible.
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Posted: August 19 2018 at 6:33pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

John Van Gelder wrote:
I was going to have a 9mm revolver
it would be a Blackhawk convertible.


Thanks John
I had forgotten all about that !!!
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Posted: August 20 2018 at 5:17am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Shooting the 9 in a revolver greatly increases bullet options.
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