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Posted: August 26 2018 at 10:10am | IP Logged Quote M700

I've only hunted at a high-fence place once, 30+ years ago. Some buddies were going hog hunting, which I'd never done and it sounded fun. It turned out to be a hoot. Was it "real" hunting? Nope, the pigs were loose in a large fenced enclosure with steep, brushy areas, forest, etc. I only saw the fence when we initially went into the area. But, the pigs couldn't really do more than lead us on a merry chase through the area. One pig did charge my buddy, very ticked off after being shot with his 44 magnum handgun!†I don't know how big the area was, a few hundred acres I'd guess. Still, it was fun, we hunted mostly with handguns, though I popped my pig with a rifle. We all got our pigs and had a good time doing so. Stayed in cabins, ate big meals and enjoyed. We all knew it wasn't the same as going out into the wilderness and hunting truly wild game.

I've heard stories about places with tiny, one acre or even less, pens in which a shooter can take a trophy animal. That, I don't like at all.

I know that in South Africa, it's standard for the farmers to have high fences, but they fence in places that have 40,000 acres and more sometimes! They're also responsible for much of the wildlife that is flourishing in South Africa. I don't think I'd have any problem hunting a place that was so big. I've talked to friends who say they hunted very open terrain in South Africa, and didn't even see the fence for three days... That sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Overall, I'm not real fond of the idea of the high fences, but... It's a changing world. And the high fence operations offer a hunting experience, with varying degrees of difficulty.

Not a lot of true wilderness left in which to hunt anymore. You guys know the places I usually hunt. Wild, tough country where a hunter has to work for his game.

I dunno. Thoughts?

Thanks, Guy
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Posted: August 26 2018 at 1:18pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

I suppose it would depend on how the hunt was conducted and what the hunter's goal was. From what you're describing, the bit in South Africa sounds a lot like fair chase to me.

As for the other bit with the hog hunt - sound like you had fun. If that was the objective, no arguments from me.

I suppose a somewhat related question would be: Food plot hunting, yes or no?

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Posted: August 26 2018 at 3:05pm | IP Logged Quote M700

KinleyWater wrote:

I suppose a somewhat related question would be: Food plot hunting, yes or no?


I haven't deliberately made a food plot and hunted it, but I have set up, well camouflaged, watching over an abandoned homestead/orchard for both whitetail deer and black bear.

It worked!
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Posted: August 26 2018 at 3:46pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

A high fence around 40K acres would be no problem to me.

There are places that build fences, plant food plots, mineral supplements to build big racks and pro shooters to kill anything that doesn't have the potential for big antlers so they can charge someone $25 grand to "hunt" a big buck. THAT, I have a problem with. I only deer hunt public land. It is farmed and those food sources play into my strategy often, but not the same thing as a food plot.

While we're on topic; fishing in stocked ponds anyone?

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Posted: August 27 2018 at 9:53am | IP Logged Quote M700

Oh yeah, the WDFW stocks our local lakes with a whole mess of trout every year just before opening of fishing season.

Lots of cooking size trout.

Even more that are a bit smaller and will grow through the summer, providing good action later.

And a few "football" trout just to cause excitement!

It's so completely fake, and so completely fun! The kids catch fish. The old folks catch fish. Everybody catches fish!

Guy
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Posted: August 27 2018 at 12:59pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

Guy

Here in Wisconsin we've been hit by a deer disease called cwd. Fenced deer farms have been the primary source of the spread of cwd due to different operations trading deer to improve genetics or whatever.

So our DNR has first banned baiting in affected areas and now came up with a regulation that a deer carcass cannot be transported more than one county away from the kill site...unless it's going to a licensed processor or taxidermist.

I've cut up my own deer for many years but now can't do it legally...in large part (although not completely) because of deer farms. All this so a well-heeled "sportsman" can take a couple hours out of his busy schedule to shoot a trophy whitetail in cage.

So...as you may have picked up on...I've got a definite opinion on game farms!

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Posted: August 28 2018 at 8:12pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

richhodg66 wrote:
thing as a food plot.

While we're on topic; fishing in stocked ponds anyone?


Only if it's my pond

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Posted: August 28 2018 at 10:38pm | IP Logged Quote STCM(SW)

You know, time caches up with everyone.
10 years ago I could still hunt up and down the hills.
But at 77, don't think that is a good choice. I will be waiting for some spike buck that likes our corn feeder.
I don't waste any of a deer I get.
And there are no fences in the Collville Forest.

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Posted: August 29 2018 at 8:04pm | IP Logged Quote safari100

Having hunted RSA 3 times I can tell you that it is what you make of it. The smallest properties I have hunted were 2500 hecters(about 5000 acres). The only time I saw a fence was going in and leaving. Guy you are more fit than I am and I will only hunt RSA walk and stalk. Kathi and I leave the truck at dawn and walk til lunch eat take a nap thru the heat of the day and walk til dark.
Most American hunters in RSA are old and fat and simply want to ride around all day on the back of the truck until game is spotted and they get off the truck walk for 100 yards at best and shoot a critter. Their PH's hate them. As I have said before if you want to hunt you hunt and will have a happy PH. If you want to ride around and shoot critters so be it, your choice.

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Posted: August 30 2018 at 8:11am | IP Logged Quote M700

safari100 wrote:
Having hunted RSA 3 times I can tell you that it is what you make of it. The smallest properties I have hunted were 2500 hecters(about 5000 acres). The only time I saw a fence was going in and leaving. Guy you are more fit than I am and I will only hunt RSA walk and stalk. Kathi and I leave the truck at dawn and walk til lunch eat take a nap thru the heat of the day and walk til dark.
Most American hunters in RSA are old and fat and simply want to ride around all day on the back of the truck until game is spotted and they get off the truck walk for 100 yards at best and shoot a critter. Their PH's hate them. As I have said before if you want to hunt you hunt and will have a happy PH. If you want to ride around and shoot critters so be it, your choice.


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Yaked with some "hunters" who would go to a game farm to hunt, pick out an elk on the 1st day, shoot it and then the game farm got the tractor and did the rest. WHY? Because they took a week away from their wives,girl friends, etc., to hunt **in the wilderness** but really went to the bars and bought hookers. I heard that all unraveled one year when they brought their wives home a free case of clap each.
We have an "outfitter" out our way that does a long week-end "bible study"/ They do not have the Bole with them but lots of cigars and whiskey. Go figure.

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Posted: September 25 2018 at 5:58pm | IP Logged Quote Yeti

I am very cautious about judging how and what people hunt. I have my
preferences but they are just that, mine.

I own some very accurate modern sporting rifles, aka ARís. My new 6.5
Grendel is going to be my hunting rifle this season. Some people donít
want me to hunt with this scary black rifle. Yet it is the most accurate
hunting rifle I have and I shoot it more than any other rifle. Donít I owe it
to the game animal I hunt to use the best equipment for the job of
humanly harvesting them?

If it is legal, and not a danger to our chosen sport, I will not argue
against it. Just as I donít want a ďtraditionalĒ hunter to judge my use of
my 6.5 Grendel.

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Hunted one of those places once. A friend
went to a place in Texas that has exotic
non-native to North America game. These
ugly sheep with four horns instead of just
two horns like normal sheep have, wild
goats with big thin curly horns, etc . . .

Anyway I went as an add on guest to take
advantage of their "shoot pigs on sight,
no extra charge for shooting pigs, we
might charge you extra if you see a pig
and don't shoot it".

First couple days I had to stick with my
friend and the guide in the Range Rover
(big area measured in square miles not
acres and they tried to use the Range
Rover and other cosmetics to give a Safari
like experience). But then after the
initial couple days they let me Rome free
on my mountain bike. I managed to down 7
total pigs 4 of which were well over a
hundred pounds. Only one of which I
scored in the initial couple days when I
was tethered to my friend and the guide
riding around in the Range Rover.

For me the area was much more extensive
then many of the local areas where I hunt
deer. Went home with two coolers packed
to the brim with boned out wild pork and
that was the minority of the meat most
went to a local food bank down there and
some to the lodge.

One thing I really liked is not having to
bucher out the meat myself. They had
people right there to do all that for you.
For my paying friend they even field
cleaned the animals. I field cleaned all
the pigs I downed but after that I just
made a call on the two way radio they gave
me and said where I was and two nice guys
in a truck would get as close as they
could with the truck and help me drag it
to the truck and load it and they would
bring it in to their processing area and
bone it all out into hunks of clean meat
and pack it in big ziplock bags and freeze
it in their big walk in freezer all labled
with the hunters name on each bag.

Then when it was time to go home they
helped me pack both of my coolers with the
better meat all pre-frozen rock solid so
no need to use ice to get it home. And
for the rest that went to a food bank I
didn't have to do anything other then sign
a paper giving my okay to have it donated.
No hastle at all for me.

It is a whole different experience to hunt
with ones primary focus being the thrill
of the hunt itself and outsmarting your
quarry with no tags and no limits. No
worries about not getting enough meat to
keep the freezer full until the next
hunting season and no worries about taking
too much game and having a mountain of
work to get the game packed out and
process the meat (ever shoot an elk miles
back into an area that is foot access
only, no possibility of using a mountain
bike, horse, or any other means besides
your own back to get the meat out? I
have.) Or having enough freezer space.

Just to be able to hunt for the pleasure
of it without any of those normal worries
is so liberating and refreshing and given
another opportunity to do it again as the
guest of someone else again so I don't
have to pay a big bill myself I would jump
at the opportunity.

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Posted: October 23 2018 at 6:19pm | IP Logged Quote beerd

turbo,
Sounds like a good time to me.
I'll even drive the next time you get to go
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Turbo - great description of your hunt!
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