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Posted: September 14 2018 at 7:20am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Out on the early morning walk yesterday, the dogs and I came upon a bear, the first single bear I have seen since early June, all of the others have been females with cubs.

One of the females has triplets, really neat to see those little guys.

The bear yesterday was a pretty nice black bear, he went up a tree, to get away from the dogs, he was in one of my horse pastures, I was within about ten yards.

For the last month the bears have been eating mostly berries, and mostly rose hips at that. I kept thinking about how good that bear would taste. I had the sights all centered up the safety off, but I did not take the shot.

Not really hunting it would have been more of an execution, it felt more like I would have been killing something because I could and not out of any need.

Must be getting old..
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Posted: September 14 2018 at 8:58am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I'm younger than you and fidning myself more reluctant to pull the trigger on something these days myself. I'll kill a couple of deer and enjoy hunting each year, but killing anything without a good reason just doesn't do it for me anymore.

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Posted: September 14 2018 at 10:34am | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

I understand completely.....I seldom keep fish that I
catch...

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Posted: September 14 2018 at 12:02pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I think that as we get older and can see our own mortality looming up ahead, we appreciate all living things more.

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Posted: September 16 2018 at 12:14am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Me, if the freezer was low on meat I would
have pulled the trigger, if the freezer
had plenty of meat like you I would have
passed. For me it's a matter of needing
the meat or not and whether the herd can
sustain the harvest. From your
description of the bear herd in your area
sounds like no problem sustaining a
harvest, thus it just would have come down
to whether I need to put meat in the
freezer or not.

Now if the bear had been causing trouble
going after my stock or trying to break
into my place or any of the out buildings
then it's a whole different equation.

Otherwise, if no need for the meat then
live and let live.

I choose to have the spirit of the cougar
rather then that of the wolf. I am a
primary solitary creature that will kill
to eat meat rather then a pack animal that
kills for pleasure and the approval of the
rest of the pack.

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Posted: September 16 2018 at 5:38am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

turbo

Pretty much my philosophy as well. My neighbor the Federal Game agent would probably have taken me to task because I did not shoot the bear, it will get into trouble some place else and he will have to take care of it.

There are more bears in this area than people.

The Fish and game department has 20+ mt lions with collars in this game management unit, along with several collared wolves.



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Posted: September 16 2018 at 6:37am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

If the bear population is too high and
their competition with each other is
pushing them to get into trouble then tell
your game agent neighbor they need to
offer more tags to responsible hunters
that will use them. Here in MT they
finally got smart and do a lottery/auction
thing for out of staters to bring in more
hunters that will use their tags in areas
where the populations of certain game is
getting too high and causing problems.
Granted you still have to be careful and
provide enough enforcement to keep the yo-
yos under thumb.

But if some rich guy in some concrete
jungle halfway across the country or world
wants to spring for 5000 tickets in the
bear tag lottery at $5 a pop so that he is
almost sure to draw multiple bear tags so
he can make it a big adventure hunt for
himself especially since if he is dropping
that kind of cash he is probably going to
hire local guides and outfitters as well
so long as they don't make the locals pay
for lotto tickets for regular game tags as
well. Heck yah, gets in hunters in
certain areas where a solid harvest is
desperately needed for management reasons
and the money goes to enforcement of the
game regs. And so long as the meat isn't
wasted and is used I'm okay with it. Heck
most of the "problem hunters" I've had
issues with were actually recent move-ins
rather then tourist hunters and of
course we have some local grown yo-yos.

Just trying to separate "personal hunting
phylosoph" from understanding management
issues which from what I have seen that
beyond habitat preservation issues
(controlling those darn subdivision and
condo developing bulldozer slap happy
money hungry greedy bottom dwelers) it's
usually a case of not enough successful
hunters in one area where a solid harvest
is desperately needed for proper
management of an over population and
another area just a couple hours drive
away where they have to really tighten
down on the tag restrictions to try to
control an over harvest and have hunters
who do not understand management but are
just out to "sport kill hunt" pushing back
against the legitimately necessary tag
restrictions in that area.

Feel sorry for a lot of the guys in
wildlife management and enforcement it's
got to be like trying to herd cats for
them when dealing with a good portion of
hunters who don't understand things from
the management direction. Which is
partially why I hunt a lot of weapons
restricted zones including the one that is
right out my back door not just because it
is so close but because I
know from a management prespective they
are mainly over populated with game and
under harvested. Montana hunters just
hate having to hunt without a high powered
rifle, they just love their big 7mm and
300 mags and convincing a sizable
percentage of them to leave old Bettsy in
the gun rack and go after deer, elk, and
bear with a bow and arrow, handgun,
shotgun, muzzleloader, or crossbow seems
to be an issue. Me on the other hand once
I got used to it, well it's been quite a
few years since I've taken a deer or a
bear with a rifle. Antelope and elk, yah
still take the majority of them with a
rifle in a rifle zone but I've taken one
antelope so far with a shotgun slug and
I'm almost even with elk taken down in a
weapons restricted zone compared to ones
taken with a rifle in a rifle zone.

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Posted: September 16 2018 at 6:27pm | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

Well, I have good news, I guess. Since the day that the
President got inaugurated I've had it pretty rough. Not
because of him, but because that is when they started my
second cancer surgery. I haven't felt like doing anything
much, and had other problems related to the surgery. As of
late my local doctor listened to me and prescribed
something for me that helps immensely. I actually feel
that I may be able to try to kill a deer this year. I
found my boots and camo clothing in the shed yesterday,
and have been going to the SO range once a month to keep
in touch with my firearms. My 30-06 A.I. is sighted in 2"
high @ 100 yards w/ 180 gr GameKings and 47 gr. of Varget.
As I just had my 30/30 rechambered, I'm taking my time
finding a load that I can use. I have to resight it
because the gunsmith took the scope off, but that's half
of the fun. I'm getting decent groups @ 50 yards, not all
where I'm aiming, but good groups non the less. When I
find a load that I like, and I have a bunch that were
loaded many years ago with IMR 3031, I'll settle on
something. But I do believe that I'll get to go at least
once this season!

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Posted: September 25 2018 at 5:47pm | IP Logged Quote Yeti

I definitely fall into the category of meat hunter. If I need meat I wonít be
picky. If I donít need the meat, shooting something means I am done
hunting. Nothing wrong with letting one pass.

This season the freezer is low and I am limited to what I can do. It is
going to be a nonhunt, aka drive through the property and find a deer.
The good thing is the deer are way too thick in the orchard so taking
one is a good thing. The fact that they are fattened up on pears doesnít
hurt their flavor either.

Next year, god willing and the creek donít rise, I will be drawing a good
tag. Seventeen points for elk and I am ready for a good hunt.

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Posted: September 26 2018 at 4:06pm | IP Logged Quote beerd

Yeti,
17 points!!??
I'll say you are ready.
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Posted: September 27 2018 at 3:58am | IP Logged Quote Yeti

It is sad that it takes 17 years to draw a good tag here. If I wanted to
draw a less prime unit I could have years ago. But I have always
wanted to hunt a prime unit so, next year...

I have never actually shot a branch bull. Two spikes and 6 cows to
date.

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Posted: September 27 2018 at 5:57am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I see more branch antlered bulls in my horse pasture than any place.

I had six big bulls all 5 and 6 points, hanging around my upper pasture until the pond dried up, which it does every summer.

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Yeti wrote:
It is sad that it takes 17 years to draw a good tag here. If I wanted to
draw a less prime unit I could have years ago. But I have always
wanted to hunt a prime unit so, next year...

I have never actually shot a branch bull. Two spikes and 6 cows to
date.


A lot of folks who don't actually hunt elk, or not often, don't get that. People see the hunting shows, read the glossy magazines. See the photos of hunters with their 6x6 bulls, and larger. Then they start thinking that every elk hunter goes after, and comes home with, some giant beast...

No... most of the elk hunters I know shoot spike bulls, or cows. I was surprised it took me so long to draw the cow tag I wanted. 7 I think. But it was close to home, in a terrific area, and a late hunt, which I prefer. Hunted in snow. That was pretty great.

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Posted: September 27 2018 at 4:27pm | IP Logged Quote beerd

Yeti wrote:
It is sad that it takes 17 years to draw a good tag here.

Where is here?
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beerd wrote:
Yeti wrote:
It is sad that it takes 17 years to draw
a good tag here.

Where is here?
..


Here is Oregon. I am finally starting to recover from 12 years as a
primary care taker of my kids. Now I get to start looking at hunts
outside my home state.

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Posted: September 27 2018 at 5:45pm | IP Logged Quote Yeti

John Van Gelder wrote:
I see more branch antlered bulls in my
horse pasture than any place.

I had six big bulls all 5 and 6 points, hanging around my upper pasture
until the pond dried up, which it does every summer.



Thanks, I didnít really want to hear that! Lol

Sounds like heaven...

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Posted: September 28 2018 at 6:58am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

A bit of irony there.. I always wanted to live someplace where I could just walk out my front door and go hunting.

Now that I have such a place, we have even had moose wander through, I no longer have the inclination. I would rather take pictures.

I hunt every day "by definition" I walk several miles and have a gun with me, just not as likely to kill something as I used to be.

The deer and elk come into my pasture to graze with my horses, If I get mixed in with the horses I can get close enough to an elk, that I can almost touch them.

I had a big herd come through early one winter, before any snow, one of my dogs thought it would be fun to chase them, five big cows broke off from the herd and went after my dog. The dog of course ran back to me, with the cows in hot pursuit. They got to about 10 yards away and stopped. I had a lengthy discussion with them, said I would counsel my dog on his lack of manners, that seemed to satisfy them and they casually turned around and walked back to the herd.

   

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Posted: September 28 2018 at 4:01pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Cool.

I haven't hit that point in my hunting. I hike year 'round, or ride my bicycle. No horses. Cross-country ski or snowshoe in the winter.

But... when fall rolls around, the weather cools, the leaves turn, the bull elk bugle and fight... Ya, I want to hunt. Sadly this year, despite my best intentions, the early archery seasons for deer & elk have almost finished, and I've yet to even take a bow into the hills.

But... Next week I head out for mule deer & antelope with my rifles! The 25-06 and the 30-06 are shooting very nicely, as usual. All is well.

We're talking about doing some prairie dog shooting as well. Might take the 204 Ruger along with me. Hard to say. The rancher wants someone to shoot 'em, rather than poisoning them. I'm okay with whacking some, but have no desire to shoot hundreds of them.

Hoping to come home with two coolers full of excellent meat in a couple of weeks. I treasure the meat, but I treasure the hunt even more.

Regards, Guy
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We have a family or two of deer on our little place here, there are two fawns I've seen every few days. A couple of nights ago, the wife and I came upon a fawn standing confused on the side of the highway. He was still there when we came back almost an hour later, he seemed OK, just confused and we wondered if the mother had been hit and the fawn was standing around.

I got home from work today and wanted to test some rifle loads before dark. A single fawn showed up and hung out maybe 50 yards from me grazing, I think it was the same one. Me being there didn't bother him, gun shots didn't bother him. He mosied around for 35-40 minutes, I talked to him several times and he seemed OK, I'm thinking it was the same one from the highway the other night. He never did really spook. I let the dog out who was curious about him and the little guy just casually sauntered away. I hope that fawn gets a lot smarter before the rifle season in December rolls around. Archery and muzzle loader are on now, but he's probably pretty safe for now.

We've had this place about three years now and I haven't really hunted it for deer. Not sure I could pull the trigger on a deer I know. Guess I'll keep getting venison from the public land.

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Posted: September 29 2018 at 5:31am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

It is easy to get attached to animals, I have both white tails and mule deer, I see them quite often and if my dogs are off on "other jobs", I can get pretty close to the deer and we have some nice talks.

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