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Posted: September 22 2018 at 12:21pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

I have been looking for something to reload for awhile by looking at my stock pile of bullets and felt I could overlook something I didn't have any loaded up to see I was short. Next I thought I would look at the empties to jog my memory but then thought I have sorted and cleaned to the point I know all the empties like the back of my hand. Finally I came up with a great plan, I handled all my guns and that made me awair that I didn't really need anything. Pretty good logic huh??? Craig

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Oh look a piece of brass...got to load that!   

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Posted: September 22 2018 at 4:41pm | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

I will walk into the shed and look at brass, bullets, and
all components. Well, I have some 30/30 brass that needs
loading, but do you know how long it takes to shoot a 50
round box of handloads from a single shot?
WHT, I'll put some primers into some of the cases.

Oh look, I found a brick of SP primers that I thought I
had used up. Seems that I just misplaced them. Haven't
even used the first box yet.

And look again! A brick of LP primers I didn't remember
that I had.
I may go digging around tomorrow to see how many LR
primers I have......

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Posted: September 22 2018 at 4:49pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Wade I have tens of thousands of empty brass and more if I tell this guy I need it. Yes Tom I do find stuff all the time but don't need it just then so when I do need it is back to missing!! Craig


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The_Shadow wrote:
Oh look a piece of brass...got to load that!   


Gotta buy a gun for it too!

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Posted: September 24 2018 at 1:06pm | IP Logged Quote The_Shadow

Yep! You're right Terry!

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I opened the bag that I carry ammo to the range in and
found a lonely fired piece of 9mm brass.... I dunno how it
got into the compartment that it was in..

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Posted: September 25 2018 at 4:29am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Seek and yea shall find. Or something like that. I was looking for something else and came across some interesting bullets I forgot I had. They are the original 148g lead Federal hydra shock that I got for loading for a friends Smith & Wession model 52. He ended not wanting them so I have 100 to reload for myself it appears. I do have a Smith j frame they will work great it. Can't wait to reload. Craig

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Posted: September 25 2018 at 6:49am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Looking around I found where I had already loaded a bunch of these. I did find a few Berry's 148g plated wad cutters I will load these instead. What a struggle. Craig

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Posted: September 26 2018 at 12:18pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Well the Berry's were nice to load with no problems. I did something a little different for me with this. I did the 3 die RCBS without taper crimp die at the end. All rounds were perfect and I did quite a flare that had to be removed with the setting/taper crimp die but all went smooth. I have had some problems in the past with that die wanting to wrinkle or cut the Barry's bullet but no problems to report this time. I did think of something as I was doing this I want to run by everyone!! How about setting up the die out far enough to not crimp, just set, then remove the bullet setter stem and set up for crimp?? I am just not sure how good the taper crimp is in these dies! Just a thought ,has anyone done this?? Craig

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Posted: September 26 2018 at 2:41pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

I did run out of brass having to sort out 357 as I went but looking over my 40+ coffee cans of brass, the first one I look at is 38sp. Go figure, as I thought I would be looking for days!! Craig

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Posted: September 27 2018 at 8:34am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Finished these rounds as I only had 99. Didn't try the taper crimp scenario as they were going so good I figured why bother and I did realize it is an extra step. BTW these rounds are available through Barry's on line but I got them at a gun show. Probably paid too much at the show. Will shoot and get back to you all. Craig

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Posted: September 27 2018 at 2:40pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

I was one short of 100 but found a bullet on the floor but needed a primer so looked around and found one on the floor. I need to clean up the place a little Craig

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Posted: September 28 2018 at 7:43am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Low on bullets I just ordered 1000 FMJ from Everglades for 77.00 a fair price for new. I have used these bullets before and they work great for 9mm. They have a hollow base of sorts but not sure it does anything. They shoot great out of my Kel-tec rifle and any 9mm handgun, 115g has always worked for me. Craig

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Posted: September 30 2018 at 10:26am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

RANGE REPORT!! Today I shot the j-frame 38sp and the Sig Sauer. The j shot ok but very low and I tried the two reloads I had, Berry's hbwc plated and Federal's original hydra shock. They both shot very low but I have no history with this gun to know what is what. The Sig was flawless. Craig

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So, if I understand this correctly I'm not
the only one to ever buy a gun to fit a
bunch of free pickup range brass I had
cans/buckets of so I could use all that
free brass I just couldn't help picking up
because I could?

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Posted: October 02 2018 at 5:36am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Hum... I don't think I have ever done this but not a bad idea though. I think I load everything that I could find at the range as it is except rifle and I am just not that interested in rifle rounds or shooting rifle. I have always thought it funny as some ranges can't seem to deal with brass and hate the fact that they have to while other ranges don't even let you pickup your own brass. I usually last one time there. Craig

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When I was visiting a friend once in Texas
and he took me to an indoor range in
downtown (he lived in big city) down there
and they had a sign posted right up front
that you couldn't pick up brass and that
it was all under contract with a recycler.
Well I had a brass catcher bag that mounts
to my AR10 in my gear bag and a roll of
electric tape quickly made it mount to
almost all the other guns I brought with
varying degrees of success. And of course
I palmed all the empties from my revolver
and didn't shoot my semi-auto handguns
because I didn't want to loose the brass.

All was going well until another shooter
figured out what I was doing and went and
snitched to the guy up front behind the
counter who then came in and demanded I
stop using the brass catcher bag and
palming the revolver brass and immediately
turn over the brass I had. I refused and
they insisted more forcefully verbally and
one of them tried to make a grab for the
bag which I stepped into using my body to
block while retreaving one of my firearms
that was a little too close to his grab
and was still partially loaded at the same
time to ensure he wouldn't grab for that
next.

I started packing up to leave while they
backed off slightly to about 10 feet or so
and then they called the cops. I finished
packing up and started to leave and they
attempted to block my path from leaving
until I locked eyes with them and asked if
they really wanted to tangle and which
point they stepped aside and let me leave
their building and I then put my stuff in
the back of my station wagon and calmly
waited for the cops to show up sitting on
the rear bumper of my station wagon with
the back hatch open with all my guns
(except my concealed carry piece which
never came out at the range and no one
knew I had) all secured in their cases
while a couple of them circled me like I
have seen wild dogs do at varying
distances but always staying at that
minimum 10 foot or so distance although a
couple times one of them tried to see if
he could push it and I had to stare him
down again.

Well anyway after about 5-to-10 minutes a
solo cop finally showed up and I told him
I was under threat by them and they were
circling me like I had seen wild dogs do
up in my neck of the woods. He then told
them to back off and cautiously approached
me and I explained what had happened and
showed him my brass catcher bag and how
explained how it attached directly to the
gun it was made to fit or with some tape
could work for most of my guns and how I
had been shooting revolvers and ejecting
their shells directly into my hand and
saved them and put them into a pocket on
one of my range bags and how the sign had
said that I couldn't pick up brass and
said nothing about not letting it fall to
the floor in the first place and that a
few of my brass hadn't been caught by the
bag and had fallen to the floor and I had
followed their rules and not picked them
up (couldn't anyway the floor was a metal
grate mesh with hoppers to catch brass
underneath the floor) and how they had
tried to physically strong arm steal my
brass from me because I dared to use the
bag and palm the revolver brass when there
had been nothing posted on any sign saying
I couldn't do that and the written range
rules pamphlet they gave me when I paid
their fee was even more specific stating
that you could not pick up brass including
your own and that "the moment the brass
hits the floor it is the property of the
range and is under contract to be sold to
a recycler" exact wording verbadem from
their own range rules pamphlet. My brass
catcher bag for the rifles and the palm of
my hand for my revolvers meant that the
vast majority of my brass "never hit the
floor" and was by their own rules still my
property and that I had made no attempt to
steel any of their brass including the few
that escaped the bag. Rather they had
attempted "strong arm robbery" of me and
had had attempted "kidnapping" or
"unlawful imprisonment" of me by
attempting to prevent me from leaving
their building because I felt threatened
and in danger inside their establishment
and preferred to wait outside within
public view for him to arrive.

Well he listened to me while several times
having to order the two range nazis to
"back off" and quit circling and they even
refused his order to go back inside until
he was ready to talk to them and hear
their side of the story. And then one of
them the more aggressive one that had made
the grab for my brass catcher bag moved to
withen less then three feet on the officer
while he was talking to me coming up from
behind on the officers right rear flank
and the officer barked at him hard and
load to back off and then returned to his
cop car and shortly there after a string
of more started steadily showing up until
this one Hispanic female officer showed up
and after a VERY short consultation with
the initial officer immediately started
tongue lashing the two range nazis up one
side and down the other about them causing
"this same thing to happen again".

Apparently she had had previous experience
with the range and the people running it
and apparently I was not the first one to
be treated in that manner for palming
revolver brass rather then dropping it on
the floor. The brass catcher bag was new
to her but not palming revolver brass and
this range and the people running its
stepping over the line. She yeld that
line out of their own range rules about
the brass hitting the floor (which I did
not show her) and that if the brass never
leaves the shooters possession and never
hits the floor it is still the shooters
property like three times in their face as
loud as she could at like six inches from
her face to theirs with them walking
backwards and about tripping over their
own feet with her leaning in and closing
to match and maintain her point blank face
to face. After which they practically ran
back inside the range building (these are
the same two who refused to follow the
initial officers orders to quit circling
me and him and go back inside until he was
ready to hear their side of the story).

Anyway I will never go back to that range
although I did thank that female cop
rather profusely and told her that if it
weren't for me living clear up at the top
of the country and her down at the bottom
and me already having a woman of my own at
home I would have asked her out on the
spot. She gave a short little laugh and
her and the rest of the cops cleared out
at and so did I.

So although I don't have to deal with
ranges that are nazis about brass I have
experienced it once and that was enough
for me. Although I did get to meet that
cool female cop because of it so it turned
out being a break even experience. My
woman still rolls her eyes when I tell
that story. She knows I still have
somewhat of a crush still on that female
cop I just met that one time, but she
understands she knows my taste. Otherwise
I wouldn't be with her although it does
come back to bite me sometimes since I
have been known to get a similar treatment
from my woman if I step too far out of
line.

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Ah, did they realize everyone was probably carrying guns????

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Desert Eagle41 wrote:
Ah, did they
realize everyone was probably carrying
guns????


Once they called the cops and I knew that
is was only a matter of time before the
cops showed up I was very aware of that.
I wanted it so that by the time the cops
showed up the half dozen plus guns I
brought would all be all packed away in
their cases and not in a situation where I
could be confused as a threat to the
officers. If the two range nazis we're
armed they were packing concealed well
enough that I couldn't tell (as I
maintained my deap concealment).

The fact that I immediately secured all my
visible firearms may have emboldened the
range nazis. But with officers on the way
I still consider it the right move to make
so as to protect the correct "optics" to
the arriving officers. Now if the range
nazis had branished a deadly weapon during
their aggression towards me then a
different choice would have been called
for. My priorities where to get me and my
property out of their building and outside
within public view and de-escalate as much
as possible without surrendering.

Now the initial solo officer who showed
up. He must have come in with only a
"unknown trouble" call and appeared to not
know what was going on and I spoke up and
addressed him immediately and clearly told
and showed him that I had cased and
secured "the firearms I had been shooting
at the range" which is a true statement
and when he got close to me and seemed
reasonably "not afraid of me" I gave him
my Montana and Utah concealed carry permit
when he asked me for ID and when he
realized they were carry permits I calmly
told him I was packing and where and
showed him my empty hands and said that I
wasn't going to reach in that area and now
that he was there so long as he promised
to defend me from my attackers if he
preferred he could reach there and take
temporary possession of my concealed carry
piece if he was more comfortable with
things that way. He told me to just keep
my hands visible and don't reach there or
make any sudden moves. Eventually after
that one range nazi snuck up on him from
behind on his flank after they had refused
to go back inside like he told them too is
when he realized he needed backup and
retreated to his cop car until other cops
started showing up. Once the other cops
showed up the range nazis did get patted
down and they were NOT happy about it.
They complained rather loudly and kept
saying that they were the ones that called
the cops and the cops couldn't do this to
them. I got patted once and only once
exactly where I said I had my piece by
one of the additional officers who showed
up after him and the initial solo officer
huddled together for a little bit, I think
they were just confirming I told them the
truth. They never took me up on my offer
to take temporary possession of my
concealed carry piece in exchange for
their promise of protection. The female
officer who gave them the tongue lashing
being one of the later arrivals.

I have no issue with how the cops handled
things, they did a good job as far as I
was concerned. I do think though that
dispatch was unwise to send a solo officer
with apparently little to no info on what
was going on to an argument at a gun
range. Should have been a pair so no
chance of someone sneaking up behind a
solo officers back. But then that could
be true with a LOT of situations cops have
to respond too and I don't know how thin
they are spread. Plus it would be kind of
sad to think that any kind of disturbance
at a gun range means you have to send
multiple officers. I do think the initial
solo officer was trying to be a little too
nice of a guy. Good for me initially, but
he should have called for backup the
moment anyone blatently refused a lawful
order and not waited until one of those
range nazis came up behind him on his
right flank like that (which I was the one
who warned him about, nonverbally by
aggressively locking eyes with the range
nazi in question when he moved in like
that).

Now granted I could have made it much
easier on the cops by them never having to
deal with the situation by just
surrendering and handing over my brass at
the initial point of friction.

But that's not really in my nature. I'm
the non-conformist by the very nature of
my soul. I've been known to figure out a
way to do stuff differently then the rest
of the sheeple just for the heck of being
different.

So I tend to attract "friction" with a
certain class of people who are always
trying to make others "conform to the
norm".

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