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Posted: December 03 2018 at 9:40am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

I just counted the 125g Berry's I just found and there are 292 out of 250 in the box. I am excited about this find. Nothing great about the 125g but they are free when you think about it. Nice bullet and it might be Berry's kind of double plated. I was testing these when they came out but that is all I remember. I do know all of the testing on the thick plate stuff was great with no problems even up to stout loading's. Craig

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Posted: December 04 2018 at 12:24pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

I just finished 50 of the 125 and all went great except I didn't flare enough but didn't wreck any brass and all are loaded. I don't know why my expander plugs are suddenly out of whack but may be it's the bullets. Not sure will have to check more carefully is all. Craig

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Posted: December 05 2018 at 11:36am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

I did figure out the expander issue and it was me loading other rounds like 380 on the other side of the turret. Constant vibration loosens the dies up sometimes and I forget to check is all. So the 125g Berry's are done enough for testing in spring or sooner weather permitting. Boy with the expansion set correctly the bullets seated smooth as glass. Craig

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Posted: December 07 2018 at 10:31am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Just topped off a box of 147g HST 9mm I use in a S&W 910 that was shooting low with 115 and 124g so Handloads.com had me try 147 and it shoots perfect now. I think it was Wade(Shadow) but not sure. Thanks to whoever was the one that helped me out. ANYWAY I found more of the 124g JHP that I think were Berry's but really not sure who's they are. I better load them and shoot them huh? Craig

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Posted: December 07 2018 at 4:51pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

In this thread so far you've probably
loaded more jacketed loads then I have
loaded in the last couple years.

Do you not cast?

I mean if you don't, or don't do cast
bullets much, that's fine. To each their
own, I just much prefer to run cast unless
I actually need jacketed in order to
accomplish my goals.


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Posted: December 07 2018 at 5:00pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

I have never gotten into casting and had a very bad experience with 357 factory lead bullets when I bought my first 357 mag. I cleaned out the lead with steel jacketed hollow points and have been shooting them ever since. Craig


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Posted: December 07 2018 at 11:02pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Okay, got it.

Yah, most store bought cast lead bullets -
well to actually describe them would
require the use of words that are frowned
on in this forum. Most of the problem in
my opinion is in the lube they use rather
then the actual lead casting. Like candle
wax! Not real quality lube!

Now, steel jacketed bullets, I find there
is definitely a use for those. I don't
like to subject any of my good guns to a
steady diet of steel jacketed bullets but
for certain applications I most certainly
prefer them over copper alloy jacketed,
especially if it's not a quality alloy.

If I ever had to fight as a rifleman in a
real war on a real battlefield. If I had
any choice in the matter I would want
steel jacketed ammo. Barrel wear is
higher but no lead or copper bore fowling
and you can run them through a lot hotter
barrel without problems which in a real
fire-fight you don't get to call "time
outs" to let your barrel cool down if you
start running a little too hot.

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Posted: December 08 2018 at 5:27am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

I have a lot of guns so I don't get to shoot a lot in one gun so there is little wear and I buy new guns often. So I have never seen any barrel problems but not even sure what to look for. The Colt trouper I bought first and shot the lead thru, the barrel was black with lead. All the guns I shoot now when I check the barrels they are clean but I clean the guns every so often to get loose powder out of the mag well etc. Craig

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Posted: December 08 2018 at 6:35am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Short of a second civil war or foreign
invasion of the Homeland I have a near
lifetime supply of 8x57 old but still good
mil-surp. Most of which is Turkish late
1920's production loaded with steel
jacketed bullets (if you bought direct
from the importer by the palletit was as
cheap as 2.3 a round plus truck freight
shipping).


Well, I had an old beater Mauser, also
Turkish that a Bubba had rigged up an
offset mount for a modern scope for out of
angle iron at the time I picked it up at a
pawn shop for $69 including a cheap 4x
scope. Bore was "okay-ish" not good but
not real bad either. Slugged the bore and
it came out at 0.324" major, 0.315" minor
diameter but with some cleaning rod wear
near the muzzle and some fire wear in the
other end forward of the chamber. Maybe
some light pitting as well.

With all that cheap ammo and that cheap
beater gun I shot it like it was a 22-lr.
A steady diet of that steel jacketed ammo.
Really improved my accuracy with a bolt
gun with a basic 4x scope especially when
it came to "Yankee Doodle" elevation and
windage over extended range.

Cleaned it after each shooting of course
due to the old corrosive ammo. Just ran
solvent soaked patches through it and then
dry patches until they came out clean,
then an oil patch.

Went through wooden box after wooden box
full of little waxed paper boxes of ammo.

Then after awhile my groups started to
open back up instead of hold or get
tighter due to practice. Thought I was
getting lazy, but then I actually took a
light and looked down the bore - Oh Boy,
good news absolutely no sign of any of the
slight pitting seen originally, nice
polished shinny bore. Bad news I could
just barely see the rifling it's corners
were rounded off rather then being sharp
crisp edges. Slugged the bore again,
0.325" major, 0.320" minor diameter !!!

Then I figured out how much ammo I had
used up (didn't keep track as I was
shooting it) by examing how many wooden
boxes with a known number of waxed paper
boxes contained in them with each waxed
paper boxes sealing one canvas bandalier
with 7-pockets with two five round
stripper clips in each pocket. 70-rounds
per waxed paper box - 24 waxed paper boxes
inside each wooden box = 1,680 rounds per
wooden box and I had used up 8 of the
wooden boxes out of the first pallet
(pallet as in moved with a forklift) and
had started in on the 9th wooden box.

So, basically just over 15-K rounds of
steel jacketed rounds through that one gun
in a little over a year. Granted the bore
on that gun was already worn when I got it
but those 15,000 or so rounds of steel
jacketed bullets effectively wore out the
rifling in the barrel. I'm not talking
fire bake wear in the first few inches
forward of the chamber which is how
barrels usually wear out (although
certainly some of that as well). I'm
talking actually rounding out the edges on
the rifling and wearing the lands that dig
into the bullet. The major (groove)
diameter only went from 0.324" to 0.325"
but the minor (bore) diameter went from
0.315" to 0.320" and that was found by
slugging the bore from breach to muzzle
and the least worn rifling was at the
muzzle so most of the barrel was actually
worse.

For comparison I have a 45-ACP with about
70,000 rounds of cast lead reloads put
through the same gun/barrel and it slugs
out the same as when I started at least as
far as I can tell with slugging the bore
and measuring the lead slug with a
micrometer to the 0.001" increment. (Don't
anyone ever tell you that HiPoint pistols
are total junk. First center-fire handgun
I purchased when HiPoint first came out
with a 45, 9mm came out few years earlier.
She still works. A lot looser then when
she started and one of the pins I now have
to constantly reseat every 50 rounds or so
and the trigger is really spongy. But she
is still running.)

Granted, 8x57 runs a lot hotter then 45-
ACP but we are still talking about
shoving chunks of metal down a tube with
grooves in the tube and the harder steel
metal wearing down those grooves quicker
then the softer lead metal.

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Posted: December 08 2018 at 7:49am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Ah... in my 50 years of shooting I haven't shot 10,000 rounds in all guns put together and I have had up to 50 guns but am down to 35 or so. As stated before I like to reload much more than I like to shoot. Oh well....Craig

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Posted: December 08 2018 at 3:22pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Got yah, I don't know for sure but I think
copper alloy jacketed should go more then
15-K before the barrel is worn out so long
as it is not heavy magnum that burns out
the barrel throat real quick like some of
them do.

For me, the reason I cast and handloaded
is so I can shoot more for the same amount
of money. Using bullet traps and melting
down and recasting the same lead over and
over with a small wasting due to slagging
basically I spend more in cast bullet lube
then I do for the lead. Most of my brass
is scrounged range pickups.

So when I am not shooting any of my mil-
surp backstock that I got really cheap (I
don't buy it unless I can get it really
cheap and then I buy in bulk) then the
cost of the primer and powder charge used
my primary cost per shot.

Unless I am in a hurry for some reason I
often burn through 500 rounds in a range
session. I often load in 1,000 batches
especially for pistols.

But I do enjoy the loading process as well
(I'd better considering how much time I
spend loading) but I do try to double
task. Once I've got my load setup on the
turrent press and it's not a load that
could be double charged then I can watch
the tube and load at the same time. Don't
worry, I don't watch nasty modern TV,
mainly good old stuff from MeTV and then
good stuff from history channel and Full30
and YouTube and the DIY channel.

Can't cast and watch the tube at the same
time since my casting method/rhythm
requires constant visual examination of
the sprue puddle to cut the sprue and drop
from the mold into the slit towel over the
water quench bucket. But I can listen to
good audio books, golden age of radio MO3
recordings, and a few good podcasts.

That is one of the nice things about this
hobby, even though we each may go about
things differently and for different
reasons we all still have so much overlap
and still have much in common.

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Absolutely Turbo, the joy of casting has many rewards as does the handloading!

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"black with leading"

Seems like a lot of people see burnt bullet lube and think it's leading. Leading is going to be silver or gray streaks. Seems most who don't use cast because of fear of leading think that burnt lube is leading when it swabs out easy enough.

I can't imagine spending what jacketed bullets cost to shoot at handgun velocities.

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Posted: December 09 2018 at 7:17am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Ah.. it's been 45 years since this happened so I don't remember the details except what ever was in the barrel cleaned out with 12 shots of JHP and I have been happy shooting JHP ever since. Someone else on the forum said that early 357 lead factory rounds were real soft and leading was a big issue at the time. A friend told me about the leading and the fix. The expence of JHP aren't that bad when bought in bulk on the internet sites. I have been getting pull downs cheap on the net lately. I am still at half price compared to store bought and I like my rounds much better!! Craig

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Posted: December 09 2018 at 8:41am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

OK here is a real question! I was having a little trouble with the expansion/flare die for 9mm and notice the lock nut Allen screw was striped out by where you insert the Allen wrench. No big deal but I had to drill it out to get the old lock nut loose enough to remove it to replace it. I was just wondering why there is that in and out adjustment on that die as it isn't used for anything I can think of. All the adjustment is with the expander/flare plug. Am I wrong?? Craig

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Posted: December 09 2018 at 10:01am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Went to the local place for reloading and bought a new lock ring RCBS brand for 5.00. Well it's all fixed anyway. I did think of a reason for the threads and that is you need to be able to screw it on the turret. Well duh. Craig

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I like the Hornady lock rings. They don't mess up the
threads of my dies. I think Sinclair makes something
similar, but they are round rather than oblong.


Oh, and 99% of my bullets are cast by me. The others are
jacketed for my 30 caliber rifles.

It's just
another part of relaxation.....

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As to the set-rings on the dies. I don't
always have enough exposed threads to do
this but when I do ~ Standard die threads
are 7/8-14 that is a stanardized fine bolt
thread and you can get Teflon insert
locknuts in that size. No thread damage,
nice and big with lots of area to grab by
hand or with a wrench and those Teflon
insert locknuts stay set and don't move
unless you want them too.


Otherwise, when I don't have enough thread
length to do that, I use the Lee rings
with the rubber O-rings but I pull them
off the dies and grind an index notch in
them so I can be sure I get them tightened
to the same spot each time. Those Lee
rings have no set-screw to mess up your
threads and the O-ring does usually keep
the ring from moving on the die but that
O-ring also makes it difficult to get the
dies tightened in exactly the same each
time by feel, the 0-ring messes with the
feel. Thus the index mark.

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Well I got the lock ring fixed. It's amazing what you can do with a machine shop. They even had replacement Allen screws. It's now an extra lock ring as I bought one yesterday. All in all I can't complain to much as the reloading stuff never goes bad. Heck I probably screwed up the Allen screw myself as I hadn't changed that setting in years. My friends did the fix for me as they took a break from the Oliver tractor they were working on. Craig

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You get the 9mm expander/flare die fixed and the resizer die goes bad. I diagnosed it wrong thinking it was the die set to close as it was almost binding up at the point when the shell holder and die are touching but it really was the old primer punch that had worked loose and was hitting inside the case. All fixed now and working great. Was just cleaning up the bench and reloading what I found and a couple small Tupperware containers to the count of 85 9mm ready for bullet and powder. But I am down to the original question "What to reload next?" even just in 9mm. Oh well. Craig

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