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Posted: October 05 2018 at 7:27pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

Work and play day. Work, mowing the knee high grass around the camp
house that it seems only I can mow...

Play, shooting guns.

I took the 1885 and the new Henry Rifle. I had forgotten why I don't like to
shoot factory stuff in the 1885. I remember now.

The cast load that I use for that rifle is a bit more manageable for plinking
around.

It's still that 15.5 gr Unique under a 405 gr hollow base RN.

So after a few shots through the Henry with factory Winchester 300s, I
decided to try the 1885 load in the Henry. To begin with, it's too long with
that RN and I have it crimped in the last groove. I didn't think I was going to
get it out of the action there for a min. After some shaking it fell out and I
loaded it singly through the ejection port. 50 yards dead center 2"high. 100
yards dead center 3" low (amazing because I was having a devil of a time
seeing the two inch bull at 100 yards, even with my far seein glasses). Back
to 50 yards, same hole. Same hole again. Half a hole off. I quit then and
there. It evidently likes that hollow base.

I don't think I can seat the bullet any deeper and still get a solid crimp that
will hold in a tube magazine.

So, now to find a HB mould with a FP and I think I'll be satisfied for a while. I
guess the HB eliminates the need for sizing exactly because it sizes upon
firing.

Oh, and Henry wants the 41 mag back ASAP after I sent and email to Mr.
Imperato. I truly believe he takes customer service very seriously.


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Posted: October 06 2018 at 3:12pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

Sounds like a great day other than the grass.

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Posted: October 07 2018 at 8:34pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Try the Lee factory Crimp or their taper crimp.....The
factory crimp makes its own crimp on the bullet if it is
tightened enough....(a legitimate complaint from those
using copper clad bullets ......can cut the jacket)

Mr Imperato is good to his word I have found out .....
and make sure you send split case with it Alan .....
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Posted: October 08 2018 at 4:32pm | IP Logged Quote beerd

Could you trim the brass a hair, use the same load and crimp in the grove to make a shorter OAL that will feed in the Henry?
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Posted: October 08 2018 at 6:39pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

beerd wrote:
Could you trim the brass a hair, use the same load and
crimp in the grove to make a shorter OAL that will feed in the Henry?
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That would certainly work. I was comparing the bullets today and the HB was
.0805 longer than the FP I was originally using.

I may trim up twenty cases or so to use while I continue searching for a
suitable FPHB.

There are some companies that will build a custom mould, and if I get really
serious about it I may do that. I have a 1895 Marlin Guide Gun, an 1895 Rifle
, an 1885 High Wall and a Shikari, all in 45-70. They can all use a HB FP
bullet of any weight as well as the Henry.

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Posted: October 08 2018 at 6:43pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

REM1875 wrote:
Try the Lee factory Crimp or their taper crimp.....The
factory crimp makes its own crimp on the bullet if it is
tightened enough....(a legitimate complaint from those
using copper clad bullets ......can cut the jacket)

Mr Imperato is good to his word I have found out .....
and make sure you send split case with it Alan .....


This is an option as well.

Mr. Imperato is welcome at my fire anytime. I have never had the owner of
any company take the time and effort to respond in such a positive manner.
He answers his own emails and is beyond cordial.

I'll purchase more Henry products on that basis alone.

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The coal of a lever gun 45-70 load should be held at 2.55, some lever guns
you can get up to around 2.6.
Flat base bullets that are the correct size for your throat and or groove depth
will always shoot better than a hollow base bullet. It's amazing how a quality
lube will affect accuracy and some rifles just won't get along well with one lube
while the next one thrives on it. Casting bullets with a hollow base is a tricky
business to get any sort of uniformity in the skirts and keep from getting air
pockets in the cavity.
Best accuracy with cast bullets is usually obtained with zero crimp, only neck
tension holding the bullet, but that can be a problem in a lever gun if you're
filling the magazine. It's best to use a quality set or dies that will crimp the
bullet in the seating die and use no more crimp than is necessary to hold the
bullet under the tension of the magazine spring.
Yes, those big ol fat slow bullets have a lot of drop to them as the range gets
extended.

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Posted: October 09 2018 at 6:49am | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

In the past I used some prefab lubes, then I made my own lubes, then I jsut
started using Lee Liquid Alox. It has worked well on the bullets I have cast
up to now. I cannot argue with the results I experienced with the HB bullet I
used last Friday. It was not a matter of working up a load, but rather simply
trying a load I was using in another rifle. Occasionally a blind hog finds an
acorn.

While I do have specific loads and loading procedures for some of my bolt
action rifles, I don't spend that much time and effort on the lever guns.
Loading for this 45-70 has certainly challenged that view.

As I have gotten older I have noticed that I have less patience for loading
specific loads for each rifle, and quite frankly, as the collection has grown,
record keeping has become tedious rather than enjoyable. My interests have
changed to just wanting to choose a rifle to kick around with but still having
the accuracy to hit what I aim at, if I shoot at all.

I actually needed another rifle (let alone two) like I needed a hole in my head,
but I'm into it now and need to see it through. As soon as I get the 45-70
done I'll start on the 41 Mag.... but I was looking at this 44-40 the other
day......

It's a disease.


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Posted: October 09 2018 at 7:18am | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Of the 4 45-70s I have only 1 of them can use cases fired from the others. So I
keep a sperate brand for each rifle.
44-40 is a fun cartridge, and don't be surprised if a .430 diameter bullet
shoots the best with no leading problems.

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Posted: October 09 2018 at 4:18pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

You have me curious now, what rifle is it that will use cases fired in other rifles? Seems the general wisdom is you can only ever get away with neck sizing in bolt actions, I know for a fact that isn't always true.

One of these days I'll have to get a .44-40, I tend to like old and odd cartridges.

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Posted: October 09 2018 at 5:43pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

I started out over 40 years ago with the 44-40 and a lee
hand loader and an ideal mold......I love the 44-40 in
ever action I can get it in... and its twin the 38-40 .....

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Posted: October 09 2018 at 5:55pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

I have a SAA Colt in 44-40. It is unturned. So now I have to get one to
shoot. Which will mean getting a rifle too.....

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richhodg66 wrote:
You have me curious now, what rifle is it that will use
cases fired in other rifles? .

The Italian sharps, but the problem with firing the other cases in it is the
chamber is so large at the case head that it takes a gawd awful lot to size them
back down to fit the other rifles.
The Shiloh and Browning could interchange cases, but the Browning uses a bit
larger diameter bullet than the Shiloh.

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Posted: October 09 2018 at 7:40pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

The Italian Sharps? is it Pedersoli or Uberti?

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I have tried to talk Henry's, over and over, into putting a
44-40 barrel on a 44 Mag ........they won't do it ......Not
even special order ....... it should work but .....

DAMN DAMN DAMN

I can't even repeat what the Marlin rep said to my face (it
was clear I was not the first to ask) when I asked for one
in 38-40......

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You folks might enjoy Ranch 13's Historic Shooting Forums.

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twillis wrote:
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