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Posted: October 10 2018 at 6:10pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

Put on my good jeans and went to town today. Gonna get some store
boughtn 41 Magnum ammo. Academy, strike one. WalMart, Ball one (I'm
calling it a ball because I really didn't expect them to have any), 1st GS, Strike
2, 2nd GS, foul tip (they had 41 Colt,.... really, they had a box of 41 Colt),
3rd GS, Base hit. One box of some kind of some kind of super self defense
ammo with jagged edge hollowpoints, and they were silver!!! Wonder who
could have left those there?

Anyway I'll try running those in the Henry to see if the cases split before I
send it back the second time.

Interesting though at the 2nd GS, I walked back to the counter and a cocky
kid asked if he could help me. I said, "When was the last time somebody
asked you if you had any 41 magnum ammo?" He said, "hunh? You mean
4...." "No, I don't mean 44 magnum...." "Hey Jake", he called to the gunsmith,
"You ever heard of a 41 magnum?" Jake stuck his head out of the door and
looked at me like he'd seen a ghost. Jake was maybe a bit older than me and
was happy as a clam to talk to somebody about a 41 magnum. He was real
sorry he didn't have any ammo though. I asked if they had any bullet moulds.
He said, "Just One". He pulls out a Lee single cavity and hands it to me.
Handwritten tag says, .410 240 gr $20. we talk a bit more and he says, you
know, I don't throw anything away (I like this guy even more). He rummages
for just a moment and comes out of the back with half a box of Sierra .410
210 gr jacketed HP. "$2", he says.

So when I got home with my new used mould I threw a couple of bullets.
They are crisp on the edges and measure .4155.


The box of 20 41 mag was $37....

Alan

Edited by Alan McDaniel on October 10 2018 at 6:11pm


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Posted: October 10 2018 at 6:58pm | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

Happy day for you, and a new friend possibly....

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Posted: October 10 2018 at 7:01pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

It's always nice to have gunsmith friends!

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Posted: October 10 2018 at 8:05pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

Alan

I had that 240 gr. mold but didn't have much luck with it in regards to accuracy in .41 revolvers. I put it on the table at a gunshow and someone snapped it right up. It is the same bullet design as Lee's 195 gr. with an extra segment and lube groove added. I was trying for 1050 to 1100 fps but I wonder if that long of a bullet wouldn't be more accurate at the higher velocity a rifle would produce? Interested to see what your results are.
My favorite .41 mold is the 210 RCBS but the 195 Lee makes a nice plinker. Been watching for the discontinued Lyman 220 gr. Keith style SWC but haven't found one.

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Posted: October 10 2018 at 8:30pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

I still feel that there is something that I can't fix wrong with that rifle. I won't
be able to shoot for a couple of days. But, I told Mr. Imperato that I would
shoot the factory ammo in it, so I will before I send it back. I would love
nothing more than to be wrong in this instance.

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I've had several 41 magnums. Never felt there were anything better then a 44 magnum.
Sold 2 or 3 of them....
Well, maybe I'm just an old greaser who knows nothing....   

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Posted: October 11 2018 at 4:03am | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

Oh, I don't know what is better or worse any more.

These days, a round or a gun doesn't have to DO anything, it just has to BE
something.

I got this rifle because I had a S&W Mod 58. No other reason. Gives me
something to do.

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Posted: October 11 2018 at 4:28am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Not sure why, but I've had a fascination to get a .41 for a year or two now. A small local shop which could use the business has a nice Black Hawk in .41 and two boxes of factory ammo that has been in the showcase a long time. I have dies, oddly (never owned one).

I need something new to cast and reload for like I need a hole in my head, but I may own that one eventually.

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Posted: October 11 2018 at 5:29am | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

This disease is a strange one. Upon thinking about it, I have rifles that I have
worked up loads for then simply put away, only to get another one, work up
a load for it and put it away. Doing that with rifles is costly, doing it with
women is probably deadly! I only know about rifles, and will be content with
that!

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Posted: October 11 2018 at 9:42am | IP Logged Quote RT58

I'm glad I got addicted to .41 magnums a long time ago, when components, moulds and etc. were available for them. They never were suited for everyone and handloading is required to get the most potential from them.

There really isn't anything a .41 can do that the .44 can't, but I still like the .41 more. Maybe it's because all those idiots in Hollywood never made it a celebrity.
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Posted: October 11 2018 at 10:35am | IP Logged Quote twillis

Fellow forum member and friend, LAH used to cast a 230 gr Keith for the 41. They are a real nice bullet. Leadhead casts that bullet and it can be found about half down this page: LeadHead Bullets

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Posted: October 24 2018 at 11:51pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Originally the 41-mag was a useful middle
step in between the 357-mag and the 44-mag
for those that wanted a little less recoil
and ammo packing weight then the 44 while
still having more punch then the 357.

But now days the 10mm in either an auto or
a revolver I think fills the same roll
better for the non-handloader. Factory
anmo for 10mm is far more available and in
greater variety then 41-mag. it also
offers slightly better packing weight then
41-mag (how many rounds you can carry per
pound of pack weight). It's also closer
to a true middle step between the 357 and
44 the 41 being a little more then middle.
Plus with internal ballistic differences
the 10mm looses less ballistics then the
41 with shorter barrels.

On the other hand for a reloader the 41-
mag offers a whole lot to be desired.
It's easier to get the 41 to "play nice"
with cast lead bullets then the 10mm. You
can also go both hotter and heavier with
the 41 then you can reasonably do with the
10mm.

Plus as a 410-bore shotgun enthusiast
especially when it comes to rifled barrel
slug and tri-ball guns keeping 41-mag
carbine length barrel blanks in the system
holds certain advantages for me personally
even though they are still harder to find
and more expensive then I would like.

Ah, heck! We all know the real answer is
to have at least one 357, 41, 44, and 10mm
in our collection.

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Posted: November 05 2018 at 10:39pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Recently I found out about the 41 Spl and loaded a
bunch for my Henry and S&W 58 ............I like them a
lot. Tried everything I had laying around from 170 gr
to 210 gr....
Used Starling brass....... and Unique
I was impressed ......Love it.

I try and keep a box of factory rounds around (many
which I have never tried in a gun) for defense rounds.
I went out shopping for 41 Mag and it was a hell of a
lot of misses...when I found some I needed smelling
salts from price shock.....
Even on line these things were expensive !!!

The main difference between the 41 mag and 44 Mag I
have found is that the 41 Mag has a huge amount of
penetration....... It just keeps going .....The 41 Spl
lack this ability ..... and has less recoil but still
smacks stuff pretty hard ........
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Posted: November 06 2018 at 12:33am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

REM1875 wrote:
. . . .

The main difference between the 41 mag and
44 Mag I have found is that the 41 Mag has
a huge amount of penetration....... It
just keeps going .....


That is primarily a function of the higher
sectional density combined with velocity
of the bullets "normally" loaded for the
41 compared to the "normal" loading for
the 44. The 357 and 44 loading can both
be adjusted to hold their own with the 41
they just require going outside the
"normal" loads to do it. If the "normal"
loading for the 41 would have been
different then the reputation for deep
penetration of the 41 would not be as much
of a legend.

Although it is certainly true that this is
one of the areas where the 41 will kick
the 10mm to the curb since you can't
physically use as high of a sectional
density bullet in the 10 and still safely
drive it to the same velocities as the 41
due to it's shorter case length.

The 357-max (not the mag the max) with the
proper loading can well over penetrate the
41 as well.

As to not getting as much pentration as
you desire from the 41-spl. although it is
true that without overpressuring you will
never fully match the penetration of the
41-mag you might still be able to get more
then you currently are getting if that is
what you are after.

I personally have a 38-spl. +P pressure
but not any higher pressure loading I'm
rather fond of that uses a very high
sectional density 210-grain hard cast lead
bullet that will give many "normal" 357-
mag loads a run for their money as far as
penetration goes. That big sledgehammer
of a bullet just bores deep inside stuff
like crazy.

For a 41-spl. you might see what you can
work with a hard cast lead bullet with a
nice wide flat on it's nose in the 250-to-
265-grain weight range. You will need a
nice stable slow but not too slow burning
powder. My 38-spl. load uses Steel powder
which is just a touch slower burning then
Blue Dot and slightly more pressure spike
resistant. Not 100% sure that specific
powder would work equally well for a
similar heavy hitter load for the 41-spl.
but something should work to build a
similar load for the next bigger caliber
of the 41.

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Posted: November 06 2018 at 7:31am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Turbo
I really haven't tried any penetration test with my 357
MAX (a round I dearly love) but what you say make
sense.
Pretty sure my 30 cal carbine will bury em deep too...
I have to check the next time I have these out....
Feral hog is the main thing I want a little penetration
for and I think after shooting them with a 44-40 with
good results the 41 Spl ought to work well.

And Yes I fell into another Ruger 10mm trap ... LoL and
I do like that round .....

However the 10mm seems to be best with 180 gr (the old
38-40 bullet combo) and the 41 Spl more along the 210
gr and both rounds excellent in there own class.

The 44 mag and Spl are still champs in their class
(although I am extremely partial to the 44-40)


And now with the 460 S&W the 45 Colt "magnum" is no
longer confined to special old Rugers. I hate to say it
but the 454 Casul seems mild in an X-frame

Lots of old made new and lot's of New added to that...
reloading and shooting still remains fresh and
exciting.


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STCM(SW) wrote:
I've had several 41 magnums. Never
felt there were anything better then a 44 magnum.
Sold 2 or 3 of them....
Well, maybe I'm just an old greaser who knows
nothing....   


You underrate yourself Master Chief.

Your points and opinion are very valid ......but like
the commercial says your mileage may differ ....
I too have some calibers I am not overly enthused with.
Does not mean we ain't familiar with em
though.....better to come to that opinion from
experience than from something we heard around the
campfire... It ain't as cheap though......
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I shot some 300 gr. lead bullets from a Marlin 1894 .41 magnum several years ago. They're probably still going.
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My Marlins like my RCBS cast Silhouette bullets
The 357 180grain SIL Gas check is actually too long to cycle from the tube, but loaded singles are accurate.
The 44 240 grain SIL Gas Check is amazing and a great shooter...

I need to test the 44 Lyman 255 gr Devastator cast HP with Gas check.


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Shame that the .41 is dying out, it's a good cartridge that came out
at the wrong time. Had it come out before everyone went to autos it
probably would have done better.

About 5 years ago I passed on a beautiful S&W with nickel finish
and 4" barrel in .41 Mag.   I just couldn't fight the feeling that in 10
years ammo would be hard to come by.

I remember when I had the casting business and people kept asking
me to offer Keith style bullets in .41 cal.   Reluctantly I did and
managed to sell 200 of them in 3 years.      

I used a Ballisti Cast mold like below only 4 cavity and offered 210 gr Keith style .41
cal bullets.    



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Somewhere in my junk, I have an old (very) four cavity Lyman mold of the old 410426, which was the nominally 240 grain round nosed bullet designed for the 1910 Winchester in .401 Winchester Self-Loading. I haven't cast any with it yet. I'm kind of a fan of the old WSL rifles and will have a .401 someday, when this mold presented itself, I snapped it up.

Kind of makes me wonder of this design would be good in a .41 magnum lever gun. I has a crimping groove. I bet it would work.

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