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Posted: October 11 2018 at 6:27am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Guy posts his trophies, I should add one of mine..
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Excellent!
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Posted: October 11 2018 at 7:38am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

That bow draws 80# at 31", I have long arms. The arrow head was an old Bear Razorhead, without the little insert, sharpened by hand. The arrow punched through the shoulder blade, when the bull turned around to run the broad head shredded his lungs, he went 70 feet and piled up in a heap.

This was on a cattle station, just outside of Darwin Australia. I hunted with a local bow hunters club. The club president was a conservation officer, who's primary function was trapping and relocating problem crocodiles.

The real "Crocodile Dundee"..
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Posted: October 11 2018 at 10:14am | IP Logged Quote M700

You look pretty young in that photo. Taken a while back?

Good looking bow, and 80#, wow! Ya, I still have some of those old Bear Razorheads. Always liked them. Have some two-bladed Zwickey Black Diamonds on the hunting arrows for my recurve now.

Congrats on quite a trophy - that really is something.

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With a bow no less! Hope you had someone with a BIG GUN backing you up.

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John Van Gelder wrote:
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Well, I guess I looked like a young man in 1988 as well.

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Sweet beast, congrats 30 years late

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No guns on the hunt, and in fact once we got to the hunting area we each went our separate ways.

I was crossing a paddock late one afternoon working my way back to where we left the truck and I came on two lone bulls, they they were grazing, just like a couple of old cows until they saw me. One of them started shaking his head and pawing the ground. I put as many big trees between that bull and myself until I got far enough away, and the bull lost interest.

We shot several wild pigs as well, some of the lads carried small 12v coolers in their land rovers/cruisers, they would butcher their pigs and take the meat back to town, the Asian restaurants would buy the meat, and that is how the guys paid for their gear and hunting trips.

There were so many pigs it was not uncommon for a five or six guys to kill 100 pigs of a weekend,

On the way to Australia we went to a number of places, Hawaii, and then to Figi, we had a lay over in Figi for a couple of days, so I put my bow together, took some field points and went off to a open lot next to the motel to do a bit of practicing.

There was a big chain link fence in back of me, I had been shooting for a while and not paying attention to what was going on behind me, when I did turn around there was a whole crowd of native folks standing at the fence watching me, it was the first time any of them had seen a bow and arrow.
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Posted: October 18 2018 at 6:30pm | IP Logged Quote Yeti

That is cool. I have an ole picture of me with a couple big fish from the
early 80ís. My kids love it because I had hair back them.

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Posted: October 19 2018 at 5:32am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I have a picture of a bear I killed with one of my long bows, now if I could only find it..

I have a bit of arthritis in my right shoulder, no more 80# bow shooting, I make do with my little 55# recurve these days.

Guy The black diamonds, are probably one of the best of the single bladed heads.

I bought a big batch of MA-3s, a three bladed head, they are a bit more difficult to sharpen, and harder to keep sharp in back quiver. But they are very effective on game.

I killed a big mule deer buck just south of here, in a larch thicket, the deer was about 45 yards away, at the shot he turned and ran. I sat down and waited the obligatory 20 minutes, and went looking for him. It was not a hard blood trail to find, there was blood all over the blow downs, there were spots the size of my hand. He had gone only 20 yards.

When I was dressing him out the I looked at the entrance wound and it was about the size of a tennis ball. That was an MA-3, just massive blood loss.

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@John Van Gelder

Currently for my bow for broadheads I am
using a mix of:

Zwickey 160gr Eskimo (2 blade traditional)

Woodsman 175gr. (three blade traditional
solid steel shanked)

Stinger Buzzcut 150gr. (Modern 2 edge
primary blade plus crosswise half primary
cutting diameter bleeder blade insert for
total 4 blades)

Plus I have a couple dozen cheapo "Black
Dragon" and "Green Dragon" broadheads that
when you buy them by the dozen come out at
barely over $1.50 each that I mainly use
for practice but keep one in the quiver
just in case I run into a shot I am not
willing to use a good broadhead on like a
target of opportunity coyote or something.

You have any experience with any of those
three main broadheads I have settled on
using you can offer?

Haven't scored with my bow yet on big game
(just small game when I was younger, and
now that I have gotten back into it I used
gophers as practical practice) but when I
have gone hunting so far:

When doing the final stock up on a
location where game might be bedded down
and could pop up at any moment I've pretty
much had the Zwickey nocked up and ready
to draw since it seemed the least
susseptable to damage from having the
broadhead exposed to brush or such.

When waiting in ambush along a deer trail
I've mainly had the Stinger Buzzcut ready
to go.

And been figuring the woodsman was my best
option for a black bear or elk if I manage
to find them with my bow since they look
to be the most robustly and heavily
constructed of my broadheads.

Just wondering what your take would be.

I have also taken a look at "Grizzly"
brand name traditional broadheads but they
start at like 200+ grains. My vintage
compound bow does prefer heavy arrows with
heavy tips for both accuracy and best
energy transfer to the arrow but I think
those would be a little too heavy.

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Posted: October 25 2018 at 5:47am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Turbo

My favorites are any of the Zwickey brand. I killed a big cow moose in Alaska, with one of those, total arrow weight was 750 gr. The shot was from 65 paces, with a Martin 60# long bow. The arrow penetrated both lungs, it stopped in a rib on the off side. The moose walked about 50 yards after the shot, made a couple of circles and fell over.

I normally do not shoot at anything alive at anything much over 25 yards, with a bow, I had tracked this moose for a big part of the day and it was coming on dark, winter in Alaska.

When I was in Australia, the guys there gave me a big bag full of arrow heads, these were points they had designed and had made up.

They pretty much followed the Hill design, a long narrow point.

I am not familiar with the other brands you mentioned. Anything with a reinforced tip, is good, cost does not necessarily, mean you are getting a effective broad head.

Some of the guys I hunted with in Alaska made their own points, one fellow, Jay Massey, who is quite well published, made all of his own gear, he made points out of scrounged steel strapping material, the kind they use to hold bundles of rail road ties together. His points were pretty much like the old "trade points". You cut a notch in the shaft and inserted the point, he heat treated them after the initial shaping.

Jay killed a lot of game with those heads.

Arrow heads are a bit like fishing lures, most are meant to catch fishermen not fish.

Another little tip, lots of helical fletch will improve arrow flight and broad head performance.

Remember every game animal on the planet has been killed with a bit of flaked stone..

"Shaft to the barb, string to the cheek" Saxon Pope ..


    
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