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Posted: October 23 2018 at 6:54am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Lots of choices these days in night sights, everything from lasers to sights that glow as a result of the decay of a radioactive substance.

I am not sure if I have missed the point of "glow in the dark" sights. What good is it to see your sights if you cannot see the target.

With a good flashlight and the correct hold you can see your sights and the target.

Over time I have experimented with a number of options, what works for me is a good flashlight and fluorescent paint on the front sight. The orange insert that comes with S&W revolvers, has some fluorescent properties as well.

I have used luminescent paint with mixed results, some of those paints have very long persistence and once being exposed to a bright light source will glow for several hours.

Lasers seem like a good option, but most of those are good for relatively short ranges, and it is one more thing that can fail.

An interesting point I discovered when looking at lasers and "tactical" flashlights is that the lights are significantly more expensive than a laser sight.

There are those folks that as soon as they purchase a new hand gun the first thing to do is to install a set of night sights.



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Posted: October 23 2018 at 10:29am | IP Logged Quote M700

John - I became a big fan of tritium dots for a service weapon. Sometimes the light is just fine for seeing and identifying the threat, but black sights can't be seen.

The tritium night sights show me exactly where the muzzle is, and I like that.

Came to prefer Richard Heinie's "straight eight" night sights which place the front sight dot right above the rear sight dot, instead of trying to get three dots correctly lined up. Under stressful training, I sometimes had an officer line up the three dots of their night sights in the wrong order!

Couple of ways of dealing with that. One was my preference for Heinie's sights, the other was something that Wilson offered, and I jumped on with one of my 1911's, a bright front sight and subdued rear sight dots, in a different color. For me, Heinie's sights were simpler and faster.

Of course a flashlight is a great option, and like all cops I used the heck out of mine. Still train with it, for self-defense shooting. My students are often surprised at how well they shoot with the flashlight. If it's done right, the sights and target stand out in bold relief, better even than in daytime!

Wasn't much of one for the laser sights. They always seemed a little slower to use than regular sights. One application where they made all kinds of sense was for the "shield man" - the lead guy in the SWAT stack. He can't use a long gun, has only a handgun, and has to reach around the side of his shield to use it, so he can't even get behind his sights. The laser had a good application there. He could look through the bulletproof glass window on the shield and direct his shots via the gun-mounted laser.

Oftentimes though, the shield man doesn't even draw his weapon, and just uses both arms to keep the shield in the right spot, while the two officers following him most closely engage from right and left of his shield, with their long guns.

Much use in LE circles now is being made of the RMR holographic sight. My goodness, I like those things! Don't have one on any of my personal handguns, but I have used them and wow! Fast & accurate! So easy to bring the gun up, put the sight on the target and press.

At 50 yards, with a Glock 21 I'd never fired before, I was smacking the terrorist "head" on a steel silhouette target shot after shot with plain old 230 gr FMJ CCI Blazer ammo... That little training example made me a believer in the RMR sight. It's becoming more and more popular with law enforcement agencies that will allow something other than the standard fixed sights. What's not to like? It's rugged & reliable and the officers were shooting faster and more accurately with it. I kinda like all those things.



Good subject! Good morning!

Guy

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Posted: October 24 2018 at 5:46am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I have found several comments in various places about using the laser in the way you described or any other situation where you do not have your firearm in sight but can see the illuminated target.

I have done quite a bit of shooting in the dark, hunting predators and pests, and a good flashlight is still the best answer, and for rapid acquisition some sort of high visibility coating on the front sight.

If you have a highly reflective target, that is well illuminated, black sights will work, but there is no comparison with a highly reflective sight.

A lot of competition shooters use the red dot sights, I wonder how well they work at night in conjunction with a flashlight.

Something that does not work well is trying to shoot after dark with a head light, the reflection off the back of the gun/hand pretty well washes out the target.

A good sight picture is the bright orange front sight just below the line through the green eyes.   
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Posted: October 25 2018 at 12:17am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Not a lot I can add here M700 said almost
exactly what I would say.

I would add though that if your budget can
afford it for a scoped long gun thermal
imaging is incredible. For either varmit
hunting, protecting stock from predators,
or tactical use. After dark so long as it
is at range not close quarters I don't
think there is anything better then
thermal imaging capability but boy do you
have to pay through the nose for it and
battery life still leaves a lot to be
desired.

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Posted: October 25 2018 at 5:55am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Turbo

I have seen videos of folks using thermal imaging systems, and it is quite impressive.
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Posted: October 25 2018 at 9:50am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

My woman has a thermal scope (it's price
tag created some waves) and I am quite
impressed but it but still the price tag!

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Posted: October 25 2018 at 10:55am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

If you live where "assisted" night hunting is permissible for game animals, or you have a large population of wild pigs, that are pretty edible is cooked properly, such a system would be quite cost effective.
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Posted: October 25 2018 at 11:25am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

She bought it for tactical reasons. But
it has been used to protect stock from
predators after dark as well.

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Posted: November 17 2018 at 6:02am | IP Logged Quote msmith

M700 wrote:
John - I became a big fan of tritium
dots for a service weapon. Sometimes the light is just
fine for seeing and identifying the threat, but black
sights can't be seen.

The tritium night sights show me exactly where the
muzzle is, and I like that.

Came to prefer Richard Heinie's "straight eight" night
sights which place the front sight dot right above the
rear sight dot, instead of trying to get three dots
correctly lined up. Under stressful training, I
sometimes had an officer line up the three dots of
their night sights in the wrong order!

Couple of ways of dealing with that. One was my
preference for Heinie's sights, the other was
something that Wilson offered, and I jumped on with
one of my 1911's, a bright front sight and subdued
rear sight dots, in a different color. For me,
Heinie's sights were simpler and faster.

Of course a flashlight is a great option, and like all
cops I used the heck out of mine. Still train with it,
for self-defense shooting. My students are often
surprised at how well they shoot with the flashlight.
If it's done right, the sights and target stand out in
bold relief, better even than in daytime!

Wasn't much of one for the laser sights. They always
seemed a little slower to use than regular sights. One
application where they made all kinds of sense was for
the "shield man" - the lead guy in the SWAT stack. He
can't use a long gun, has only a handgun, and has to
reach around the side of his shield to use it, so he
can't even get behind his sights. The laser had a good
application there. He could look through the
bulletproof glass window on the shield and direct his
shots via the gun-mounted laser.

Oftentimes though, the shield man doesn't even draw
his weapon, and just uses both arms to keep the shield
in the right spot, while the two officers following
him most closely engage from right and left of his
shield, with their long guns.

Much use in LE circles now is being made of the RMR
holographic sight. My goodness, I like those things!
Don't have one on any of my personal handguns, but I
have used them and wow! Fast & accurate! So easy to
bring the gun up, put the sight on the target and
press.

At 50 yards, with a Glock 21 I'd never fired before, I
was smacking the terrorist "head" on a steel
silhouette target shot after shot with plain old 230
gr FMJ CCI Blazer ammo... That little training example
made me a believer in the RMR sight. It's becoming
more and more popular with law enforcement agencies
that will allow something other than the standard
fixed sights. What's not to like? It's rugged &
reliable and the officers were shooting faster and
more accurately with it. I kinda like all those
things.



Good subject! Good morning!

Guy


I have an RMR in my safe waiting for me to get the
slide milled on my M&P 45 that has night sights. I
debated on whether or not to go ahead with the project
or sell the RMR. You may have just pushed me over the
edge of sending my slide off to be milled.
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Posted: November 17 2018 at 7:21am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I am not a real fan of putting a bunch of extra clutter on my side arm. I have a very bright led flashlight, with an adjustable lens, that gives off enough light to illuminate my sights and anything within a 100 yards.
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