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John Van Gelder
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Posted: October 30 2018 at 8:45am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I was of the opinion that steel case ammo was pretty much one use, I recently found this video and it appears as long as it is boxer primed it can be loaded a number of times.

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Posted: October 31 2018 at 8:55pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Shot some steel cased 45 ACP ammo

A long time ago. US made. It shot fine. I didn't try to reload it.

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Posted: November 01 2018 at 4:24am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

There are a lot of reloading tricks and tasks that are good to file in the "just in case" list. Reloading steel and Berdan are in that file.

Until and unless brass casings become impossible to find, I don't think I'll try it.

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Posted: November 01 2018 at 5:41am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

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Nice to know.. I probably will keep a magnet on my reloading bench to see if I have any brass plated steel cases among the scrounged brass I have collected.
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Posted: November 16 2018 at 3:12pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

I reload steel cases all the time. Two
ways/case-types I do it with:

Boxer Primed:

Most of today's Russian steel cased pistol
ammo is boxer primed and I load it right
up. Main thing I change is that steel
cases have much tighter neck tension then
brass cases which can cause issues when
loading cast lead bullets in them if you
don't make some adjustments. Instead of
sizing the cases with a standard sizing
die I instead use first a universal
depriming die to pop out the spent primer
and then use a Lee "Carbide Factory Crimp
Die" with the crimping ring and adjuster
knob on the top completely removed and
just the die body. Reason for this is
that the carbide ring on that die doesn't
size the case down quite as much as a
standard sizing die which means the case
neck on the steel cases won't be as tight
and potentially squeeze down the cast
bullet diameter during seating (yes that
can and will happen) and also potentially
mess up the bullet nose due to the higher
force required for seating in a steel case
if it is sized down the same as a brass
case.

Berdan Primed:

This is almost exclusively rifle cases.
I'll repost the graphic explaining the
method I use for this which I originally
posted on this forum many years back
during the great primer shortage:



http://forums.handloads.com/uploads/turbo1
889/2009-03-
24_223728_Steel_Rifle_Case_Primer_Conversi
on_and_Loading_1.GIF

I have build a simple set of tools for
knocking out the 209 size primer and
repriming Lee loader style with a rubber
mallet. And in-between depriming and
repriming I use a Lee mandrel type neck
size only die often with custom ordered
oversize mandrel to get the proper neck
tension for the cast lead bullets I use to
avoid the same kind of issues as mentioned
above with the boxer primed pistol steel
cases.

Edited by turbo1889 on November 16 2018 at 3:16pm


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Posted: November 17 2018 at 7:28am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I was looking at the prices of steel v brass loaded ammo and the prices are pretty comparable.

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Posted: November 17 2018 at 1:35pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

You can buy ammo already loaded ?



Just joking, for me I go to a local range
where I can pick up all kinds of range
brass and steel free for the taking except
for the time it takes to pick it up.
Thankfully for me there are quite a few
guys shooting lots of steel cased
7.62x54R, 38-spl., & 45-ACP which are the
steel cases I like to load the most. The
7.62x54R is especially nice for my needs
since brass cases in that size are
expensive and over time I have collected
and converted hundreds of those cases to
reload and shoot cast lead out of using
209 primers.

Also, I should mention that for bottle-
neck rifle cartridges where I use a Lee
collet neck size die. When I earlier said
I use custom ordered oversize neck
mandrels I should note that that isn't
specifically to load steel. I use the
same oversize mandrels for loading cast
lead bullets in brass cases as well. The
standard neck mandrel sizes are an issue
for fat cast lead bullets that fully fill
the guns throats either way. Attempting
to seat a 0.316" diameter cast lead bullet
in a neck sized with a 0.310" mandrel size
doesn't work out so well brass or steel
case. 0.315" neck size mandrel is the
right size for a 0.316" fat cast lead
bullet brass or steel case.

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Posted: November 18 2018 at 6:46am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I used to find a lot of brass at my "local range" a rock pit, this year it has been a log dump, no place to shoot.

At the moment my only interest in steel cases is 9mm.
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Posted: December 02 2018 at 7:15pm | IP Logged Quote yyz

way back when during the dark ages of 9~10 years ago i took a box of wolf 45 acp steel case poly coated (the lacquer coated did not work so well)230 grn round nose lead, 5 grains bullseye, and shot them till they broke. at about reload 5 started to get occasional case mouth splitting, 1 in 10. by reload number 7 the case mouth splitting was 1 in 3. that is were i stopped. i did reload a few 5.56x45 wolf poly coated boxer primed and got neck splits at around 3rd reload. YMMV

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Posted: December 02 2018 at 8:09pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

yyz wrote:
way back when during the dark
ages of 9~10 years ago i took a box of
wolf 45 acp steel case poly coated (the
lacquer coated did not work so well)230
grn round nose lead, 5 grains bullseye,
and shot them till they broke. at about
reload 5 started to get occasional case
mouth splitting, 1 in 10. by reload number
7 the case mouth splitting was 1 in 3.
that is were i stopped. i did reload a few
5.56x45 wolf poly coated boxer primed and
got neck splits at around 3rd reload. YMMV


Actually my mileage is about the same for
the two examples you reference (45-ACP &
5.56x45).

7.62x54R steel cases (TulAmmo or
equivalent) neck size only with cast
bullet loads using oversized 0.316"-to-
0.315" bullets to fully fill the guns
throats and to minimize sizing (Lee
Mandrel & Collet Neck Size Die With Custom
Oversize Mandrels) I can manage a solid
dozen reloads or better on average before
either the necks split or they won't hold
a 209 shotgun primers tight enough anymore
in their drilled out and countersunk
bases. That's more then worth it for me
to take the effort on them. Boxer primed
7.62x54R brass ain't cheap !!!

Do be warned though that every once in a
great while I have had the neck separate
from the rest of the case at the
shoulder/neck joint and stay in the
chamber when the rest of the case was
extracted rather then the neck splitting
lengthwise.

None of my guns in 7.62x54R have a loose
enough chamber to allow another cartridge
to chamber with the broken off neck in the
chamber so it is not a safety issue for me
and it only takes a moment usually to
clear out of the chamber by mortering the
gun and if that fails I have two types of
extractor tools specifically to get that
broken neck piece out in my ammo belt for
7.62x54R and they have never failed to
make quick work of the issue if mortering
doesn't work which is rare. And as I said
it's rare for the cases to fail in this
way anyway.

What does concern me more is the 7.62x39
although I have not seen this kind of many
reloads steel case failure with in that
chambering like I have with 7.62x54R
(difference in shoulder angle maybe?) I
have seen some semi-auto guns in that
chambering that are loose enough in the
neck that theoretically if a neck snapped
off a many reloads steel case and was left
in the chamber the action might have
enough "ooomff" to force the next shell
into the chamber neck inside the broken
off neck from the previous shot due to the
loose neck tolerances of the chamber but
now with double layered steel necks now a
tight as heck fit when the gun goes bang
again and maybe it will be too much of a
BANG.

So far just theory but I think it could be
an actual risk with some semi-auto 7.62x39
guns with really loose and sloppy Chambers
and reloaded steel cases with many reloads
on them.

Edited by turbo1889 on December 02 2018 at 8:29pm


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