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While picking Huckelberry's my M21 4" 44Spl is on my side
but when deer or elk hunting my 4" M28-2 that is what I carry......

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When off duty in Alaska I just carried my issue side arm, for several years that was a mod 19. When I was off in forest I carried my own ammo with hard cast bullets. The old standard Keith load for the .357 would shoot completely through a moose's head.

Never "had" to shoot a bear, but sure put a lot of rabbits and grouse on the table with that gun. When I was hunting bears I carried a .45.

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Posted: November 03 2018 at 7:57pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Put another one in the 38-40 and 44-40 crowd ....

Beginner and experienced shooters alike love the 32-20
.... a big favorite here at the house .....

I've take a real shine to the 327 Fed Mag and all its
little brothers

The 41 Spl is one I have taken an interest in lately
......

and ......and ......and
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41 Remington® Magnum for me!

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Posted: December 27 2018 at 3:00pm | IP Logged Quote The_Shadow

I have grown quite fond of the 10mm but have also liked 44 magnum as well.

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Posted: December 28 2018 at 12:04am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

If I only had to pick one and only one
hangun cartridge to condense everything
down too then probably 10mm would be my
reluctant choice.

That said I have handguns I really like
in: 45-ACP, 44-mag, and 7.62x25 that would
be really hard to part with and I really
like those cartridges as well.

Then of course if I wanted to be my really
off the deep end non-conformist self then
we could talk about the 5.45x18mm
cartridge. Incredibly difficult to keep
in ammo since one must make their own
brass starting from either 22-hornet with
a lot of lathe turning work on the case
head to convert it from rimmed to non-
rimmed with extractor groove being careful
not to cut too deep and weaken the case
head too much. Better option is to start
with 25-ACP BASIC brass (straight from the
brass head swagging die and length still
long and untrimmed, hard to get access to)
and then make sure they are well annealed
and then swag them up in diameter in the
body slightly with a center core swag
pressed inside all the way down to the
just above the extractor groove then form
the shoulder and neck and trim to length
if necessary. It's an awesome cartridge
though, possibly the best cartridge ever
designed for a small 22-cal deep, deep
concealment semi-auto micro pistol, I wish
someone would Americanize that cartridge
by just changing the bullet diameter from
the Soviet 0.222" standard to the U.S.
0.224" bullet diameter standard. Call it
the 5.5x18mm to indicate the slight change
in bullet diameter and then you can use it
to build deep, deep concealment micro-
autos for the U.S. concealed carry market
where if you design the guns correctly
they don't have to be any more then 1/2"
thick and packs the same punch out of a
pistol length barrel as a 22-magnum out of
a rifle length barrel when loaded to full
military pressures (market those loadings
as +P self defense loads) while not having
any issues that a rimmed or semi-rimmed
cartridge like 22-lr, 22-mag, or even 25-
ACP can have in magazine stack and
feeding. Not to mention that the
bottlenecked 5.45x18mm (or 5.5x18mm) feeds
super slick and reliable even with very
aggressive large meplat bullets and thus
also would do the same with aggressive
hollow points.

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Posted: December 28 2018 at 1:43pm | IP Logged Quote rich2

Favorite? Boy, that's a tuff one. My "favorites" seem to change as I progress. I've considered most common handgun calibers to be my favorite from time to time. But if I had to pick a single handgun caliber to be able to live in a liberal world of utopia and restrictions.(Not that I would conform or cave in!) It would be the .357 magnum do to its versatility.

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Posted: December 28 2018 at 8:01pm | IP Logged Quote RB in GA

John Van Gelder wrote:


Here is an article by Jim Taylor..

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/taylor/357magnum.htm



Good article by Jim Taylor... but, he states he loaded
20,000 357 bullets alone in one year... that's an average
of 55 loaded rounds every day no days off, Hmmmm I'm
calling BS on that one.

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Posted: December 28 2018 at 8:33pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Well, I have a HiPoint 45-ACP that was the
first center fire handgun I ever purchased
as a young man who that chambering option
first came out and sold for $129.99 brand
new (9mm version came out first a year or
two earlier and sold for $99.99 but I
didn't buy one of those I waited for the
big 45).

And I currently have just over 70,000
rounds put through that gun, mostly hard-
cast-lead from a couple Lee 6-banger
molds. But I used to cast up, tumble
lube, and load in 1,000 round batches for
that gun on an auto-index turrent press
with auto-disk powder measure. So it was
a finished reloaded round every four pulls
of the press handle. So loading up a
batch of 1,000 only took me like an hour
and a half and about equivalent time for
casting and tumble lubing with an old
Lyman bottom pore pot.

So for me for simple, cheap, tumble lubed
cast lead, bulk production 45-ACP loads 3-
hrs. = 1,000 loaded rounds. And of course
it took me less time then that to shoot
them in actual shooting time. (I used to
bang a lot of steel with that gun and used
it to get really good with a handgun).

Anyway, I don't know the exact number of
years since I've only kept track of round
count not years (simple tally marks per
1,000 round batches loaded). But I think
it has been at least a decade since the
45-ACP version of the HiPoint pistol came
out and as I said I bought that one when
they first hit my local shop; in fact I
was in there for several weeks bugging
them about it when I knew they were out
but they hadn't got them in stock yet.

So for me decade plus estimate = 70,000+
loaded and fired rounds in 45-ACP on one
gun (but to be fair it was my only center
fire hangun for awhile, and until a couple
years ago still my most often shot
handgun).

So, if he is setup to cast and load in
bulk like I was/am for the 45-ACP in my
case, 357-mag in his case. Well, his 1-
year = 20,000 rounds loaded number isn't
impossible considering that if he matched
my production level of 3-hrs = 1,000
rounds both casting and loading that would
only be 60-hrs of casting and loading
working time in a year. Again a lot of
people work 40-hrs a week at a job they
don't like and there are 52 weeks in a
year.

That is a lot though considering it took
me a decade plus for my 70,000 round
count.

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Posted: December 29 2018 at 1:42am | IP Logged Quote USA Joe

Hi all:) Its hard to choose one / Just one / I suppose
the 357 mag

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Posted: December 29 2018 at 7:49am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Not much that the .357 wont do, with a little careful hand loading.

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Posted: December 29 2018 at 11:32am | IP Logged Quote RB in GA

turbo1889 wrote:

So, if he is setup to cast and load in
bulk like I was/am for the 45-ACP in my
case, 357-mag in his case. Well, his 1-
year = 20,000 rounds loaded number isn't
impossible considering that if he matched
my production level of 3-hrs = 1,000
rounds both casting and loading that would
only be 60-hrs of casting and loading
working time in a year. Again a lot of
people work 40-hrs a week at a job they
don't like and there are 52 weeks in a
year.



Turbo,

That's some serious loading.

As far as Jim Taylor's claim you have to read a little
further... Circa 1957, He was ladle casting every slug
from a gang mold on Mom's stove top, then pan lubing. You
were using an Auto-Index LEE Turret, Jim was using a Lyman
310 hand tool. It is basically a giant set of tongs with a
die hole. From casting to ready to fire, you might average
100 rounds loaded in 6 or 7 hours if your hands don't
cramp up and turn to stone, even while batching. There a
reason no one uses Tong loaders anymore.

Still calling BS on Big Jim 20,000/year claim...

https://www.lymanproducts.com/brands/lyman/dies-die-
sets/lyman-310-tool.html

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Posted: December 29 2018 at 3:51pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Ladle casting out of a pot on a stove top.

Pan lubing.

Loading with the Lyman 310.


Okay, yah, I'll agree with you on that BS
call !!!

Now doing it that way it might have felt
like he loaded that many if he did any
considerable quantity that way.

Granted if that is the way I had to do it,
I would do it that way. But I'd shoot a
lot less!

Edited by turbo1889 on December 29 2018 at 3:52pm


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turbo1889 wrote:
Well, I have a HiPoint 45-ACP that was the
first center fire handgun I ever purchased
as a young man who that chambering option
first came out and sold for $129.99 brand
new (9mm version came out first a year or
two earlier and sold for $99.99 but I
didn't buy one of those I waited for the
big 45).

And I currently have just over 70,000
rounds put through that gun...


Best endorsement of HiPoint I've ever read.

Favorite? Argh, can't pick! If I had to, I would say .38 special - easy to reload, cheap to reload, easy to shoot, accurate, and fun.

If I could only have one? .44 Magnum, hands down.

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I have asked most of my dealers and gunsmiths if they
have ever had a Hi-point owner complain of problems with
their guns malfunctioning ..... none have ...... I have a
40 S&W carbine and it has never failed ..... It's heavy
and a bit unwieldy and the top rail was not well thought
out but it goes bang every time.
I am thinking of the 10mm Carbine ....
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To be fair I actually should send that gun
back to HiPoint for service. It still
works but the trigger on a HiPoint always
seemed a little "spongy" to me from the
beginning and now it is spongy as all get
out. And one of the roll pins that hold
those HiPoints together tries to walk out
to one side under repeat firing so I
currently have to give that pin a tap
every 6-magazines or so to keep it from
rubbing on the slide.

So, oh yah, it still goes bang and is
still hits where you point it (although
there is more play in the slide lockup so
if you use the sights mounted on the slide
it isn't quite as precise anymore, but I
mainly just instinct shoot with it now
anyway).

So currently that gun is on light duty
status and I shoot it occasionally and
it's my night-stand gun still because I
know it so well that if I have to I can
instinct shoot with it without having to
look at the sights and make pie-plate hits
out to about 40-yards or so and not miss
like at all.

I'm just afraid to send it in for service
because they might not just service it
with fresh little parts for stuff like the
trigger and take down pins, and fresh
springs but might actually change or do
something major so that it doesn't hit the
same spot when instinct shooting it.
Which would throw off all that muscle
memory I've built up over the years with
that particular gun.

I might just call them and ask them to
send me a "refresh" parts kit and open her
up and swap the small parts out myself.
Just another one of those projects I've
been meaning to "get around to".

Anyway, off topic, but oh yah !!! If you
don't got much money (like I was way back
then) a HiPoint will do you right. They
are just a @&+$&# to try to pack concealed
!!! Modified bicycle messengers bag that
securely goes over the shoulder and head
diagonal like big city girls carry their
purses is the best method I found, at
least for me as a male. Obviously for a
female, in a purse, purse securely over
both shoulder and head diagonally big city
girl style is an obvious option and more
stylish then bicycle messengers bag.

One other good thing about a HiPoint, if
you run out of ammo (malfunctions are rare
and easily cleared) then the gun itself
can do double duty as a battle hammer old
school style. One good swing with a
HiPoint bringing that big massive hunk of
metal they have for a slide down and you
could crush an attackers skull in one blow
!!!

Edited by turbo1889 on December 30 2018 at 12:13am


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10mm carbine, eh? Are the magazines proprietary, or are they 1911 compatible?

Sorry, I know this is off topic and I'm not trying to hijack the thread.

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My favorite Hi-Point video

Hi-Point
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Thanks John
I think that is the toughest testing I have seen yet
......

I do like the 10 mm and have shot some autos in the
past but what I currently have are 10 mm revolvers...
I had been casting for the 38-40 in several bullets so
the 10mm was a no brainier and later the 40 S&W.....
The 38-40 in a rifles gives me a desire to try the 10mm
in a rifle. I do like the 40 S&W in a rifle......

Appears to be proprietary magazines of just 10 rounds
in the HiPoint carbine.... I think at least 15 would be
nice and they may already have and aftermarket version.


hard to beat this

All Hi-Point® firearms are covered by our industry-
leading lifetime warranty!
Damage, age, plain old wear and tear — these things
happen. When they do, Hi-Point® customers enjoy a
lifetime, no-questions-asked warranty. And lifetime
means just that — free repairs for the life of the gun,
whether you are the first owner, or the third. Hi-
Point® service is fast, friendly and expertly
performed.
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But..If they wern't so ugly! However as my mother used to say..handsome is as handsome does..!

And on that note..Glock's are pretty darn ugly..

When you think of an aesthetically pleasing semi auto the Browning Highpower comes to mind.


REM1875

Tell us about your 10mm revolvers, loads, etc.
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