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Posted: October 31 2018 at 11:01am | IP Logged Quote M700

Today's handloading project! I've put this combo together before for whitetail deer & coyotes. Accurate and speedy.



50 gr Varget
125 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip
I'm using some once-fired Federal Gold Medal brass and Federal match primers

Delivers a bit over 3100 fps, and usually about 1/2 MOA accuracy from the 24" 1:12 Krieger barrel. Rough on coyotes and very effective on deer.

RL-15 is just as good as Varget in this application.

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Posted: October 31 2018 at 5:13pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I loaded 125 grain bullets in the .308 with 37 grains of 4895, have used both IMR and Hogdon, doesn't appear to matter, and have used a few different types of bullets. My youngest son used that load on deer when he was about 12 and it works fine, shoots well, recoil is almost non existent and the deer don't seem to notice a difference.

He even used it the year before last after not having deer hunted for several years. Honestly, if I were ever going to get a deer rifle for a kid or anyone who is recoil shy, I'd get a .308 any day over the usually recommended .243 and similar. Works great with light bullets and you can still have a powerful rifle when you want to.

Is that an arbor press you're loading with?

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Posted: October 31 2018 at 6:27pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

I don't remember the charge of RL15, but it sure made the Remington bulk
125's fly out of the BLR with prairie dog accuracy.

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Posted: October 31 2018 at 8:57pm | IP Logged Quote M700

richhodg66 - Yes. I use the arbor press for my 204, 25-06 and 308 Win, the three rifles I demand the most accuracy from.

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Posted: November 01 2018 at 4:26am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

OK, I'm ignorant of how that works, the die almost looks like the old shell resizers Lyman used to make that required a vice or similar to use. These are some kind of bench rest or special competition dies?

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Posted: November 01 2018 at 7:47am | IP Logged Quote M700

Ya, they're nice to work with.

Can only neck-size with them. They actually remind me of the old Lee Loaders - the ones we'd pound our brass into with a mallet.

The idea is to seat the bullet super-straight into the case. They've been popular with benchrest guys for decades. Made right up the road from me in Cashmere Washington by Wilson.

I like them, and they did help me reduce the size of my 600 yard groups considerably when I started using them quite a few years ago.

But I also know that good conventional dies on a normal press can produce some outstanding ammunition.

I dunno how much, if any, advantage I get from using the arbor press & benchrest dies, but I enjoy working with them. Real nice tools.

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Posted: November 02 2018 at 1:44pm | IP Logged Quote M700

After joining with other volunteers building new target boards at the club this morning, I shot 10 rounds through the 308 Win at 100 yards.

She's dialed in pretty well now.



Load was 125 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip and 48 grains of RL-15. I didn't chronograph it this time, but it was around 3,000 fps I believe, last time I checked.

Good accuracy. Low recoil. Zippy little rascal.

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I have a Tikka T3, 308 that is light weight. Searching for a load that didn't bust my old shoulder I developed a mild load with the 125 Nosler BT's using 40 grains of H4895.

This load in my rifle groups well under an inch and the recoil is mild. It clocks at about 2600 f/s. I use it as my deep woods deer and predator rifle where shots are rarely over 150 yards. Haven't taken a deer yet with this combo but took a coyote - it crushed him.

The rifle is fun to shoot with this load and I don't need Advil afterwards. My only complaint is those bullets are awfully expensive and only come in 50 count boxes.
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Posted: November 02 2018 at 6:41pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

hoghunter wrote:
I have a Tikka T3, 308 that is light weight. Searching for a load that didn't bust my old shoulder I developed a mild load with the 125 Nosler BT's using 40 grains of H4895.

This load in my rifle groups well under an inch and the recoil is mild. It clocks at about 2600 f/s. I use it as my deep woods deer and predator rifle where shots are rarely over 150 yards. Haven't taken a deer yet with this combo but took a coyote - it crushed him.

The rifle is fun to shoot with this load and I don't need Advil afterwards. My only complaint is those bullets are awfully expensive and only come in 50 count boxes.


You just stated all the reasons I shoot cast in everything almost exclusively now. Been a while since I shot something besides shotguns that actually kicked. Cheap too, and work fine on game.

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Posted: November 03 2018 at 5:06pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

Guy

I've loaded a lot of ammo with my old K&M arbor press and Wilson dies. A concentricity gauge measuring bullet run-out tells the story when using in-line dies.

Randy

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Posted: November 03 2018 at 7:33pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

I recommend for anyone to try banging a few loads
together in that lee loader...it will do 2 things .....

Show ya how simple reloading can be........

Make ya appreciate your press ........



and thanks for the info on the 125 gr 308s

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Posted: November 05 2018 at 5:47pm | IP Logged Quote hoghunter

Another effective lightweight bullet for the 308 is the 125 SST Hornady. This bullet is a lot cheaper than the 125 Nosler BT but in my rifle the Nosler shoots tighter.

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Posted: November 06 2018 at 8:07am | IP Logged Quote M700

Yes, the 125/130 gr 30 cal bullets are unusually light for a 308, 30-06, or a 30 cal magnum, but they can work well.

Six years ago I was so impressed with the performance of the 7mm, 120 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip! Two of my friends used them on a mule deer & antelope hunt from their 7-08 & 280 rifles. Excellent bullet performance. Four shots, four animals down.

So - I started paying more attention to the lighter 30 cal hunting bullets and found out that this 125 gr bullet works real well on whitetail. Normally I still use a 165/168 gr 30 cal hunting bullet, but these 125's are interesting and useful.

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Posted: November 15 2018 at 5:59am | IP Logged Quote dahlin

Our deer season starts this Saturday so I have been working up some 308 loads. Looks like 150gr Nosler Ballistic Silvertip will be the load I will go with in my Ruger American it shoots a nice 1" group at 100 yards o and 46.5grs of Varget about 2895 fps. Randy
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dahlin wrote:
Our deer season starts this Saturday so I have been working up some 308 loads. Looks like 150gr Nosler Ballistic Silvertip will be the load I will go with in my Ruger American it shoots a nice 1" group at 100 yards o and 46.5grs of Varget about 2895 fps. Randy


Nice combo!

That should have no problem making venison! Best of luck this coming season.

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Posted: November 16 2018 at 12:54pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Well, got out to the range with the 308 Green Machine again and some 125 gr ammo.

50.0 Varget
CCI BR-2 primers
Federal Case
125 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip

A tad over 3100 fps from the 24" 1:12 twist Krieger.

The 6x SWFA scope was zeroed at 100 yards. I'm trying to get used to the mil-reticle. Have some work to do there.



Roughly one inch group at 200 yards, but high and right. That was me, messing up with the reticle I believe:


Roughly three inch group at 300 yards. I was using my 100 yard zero, and just holding the horizontal crosshair at the "shoulders" of the silhouette:


Intended use for this load is for coyotes, though I've seen the bullet work perfectly on whitetail.

Nice light recoil, good velocity, good accuracy. I like it.

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Nice shooting - wow - 1" at 100 yards.

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hoghunter wrote:
Nice shooting - wow - 1" at 100 yards.



Naw, one inch at 200 yards.   
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Posted: November 20 2018 at 11:55am | IP Logged Quote M700

Have been shooting these at a couple more range trips. They do real well! Not as accurate as my old competition loads with the 155 gr Palma bullet, but good enough!

The light recoil is fun, I find myself doing more practice from field positions again; prone, sitting, kneeling (ugh) and standing. Also looping up with the sling again. Its nice, shooting an accurate, soft-kicking rifle.    

Also learning to use my new 6x scope, which has marks on the reticle for holdover and holdoff, in mils, not MOA. Interesting. So far, I'm enjoying and finding it fast to use.

So, just this morning, I loaded another fifty of 'em.

I think they'll be just dandy on coyotes. I've seen what one did on a whitetail a few years ago.

Will likely shoot these all up this winter then abandon the project. I bought these several years ago to help a couple of new shooters who were using 308's. Their light rifles were kicking pretty hard with normal 165 gr hunting ammo. Well, they don't need my loads anymore, so, I'm using up the bullets myself, and enjoying.

Will likely go back to the 150 - 168 gr bullets I've normally used in this rifle, once my supply of a couple hundred more 125's is gone.

Regards, Guy
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M700 wrote:
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Nice shooting - wow - 1" at 100 yards.



Naw, one inch at 200 yards.   


By mistake - meant 200 yards - senior moment
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