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Posted: January 15 2019 at 10:41am | IP Logged Quote Handgunr

Hey Slick.....long time, no see. I haven't been on here
in quite awhile but I do stop in now & then. Nice to
see some of the old guys are still on the site.

Nice choice on the move btw....great part of the
country.

I've done the slug casting and reloading for years as
well.....probably close to 30 anyway. Just about the
time I developed a slug load that was printing one hole
5 shot cloverleafs at 100yds., they opened our area up
to rifles....bummer.
Anyway, most of the slug moulds I've used have been
retired but I still use the Lyman sabots.....damn
accurate out of a rifled barrel. I bought a used
Remington Super Slug off the rack a couple years back
just to have it for slug shooting.....heavy barrel &
all....a scoped tack driver.

Nice to see ya...
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Posted: January 16 2019 at 12:40am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

I am more into heavy full bore solids out
of a rifled slug barrel. Think overgrown
cast lead pistol bullet used as a shotgun
slug in a rifled barrel and cast of
sufficient diameter to fully engrave and
fill the rifling. I use primarily a New
England Firearms Ultra Slug Hunter,
basically a 10ga. Size single shot break
action with a 12ga. rifled bore drilled in
a 10ga. Size barrel stock to make a heavy
wall bull barrel for added barrel
stiffness and accuracy.

Works for me.





As to the actual topic of this thread.
Namely the 44-mag. On the whole bullet
debate. As always my preference goes for
heavy for caliber with a good size meplat
medium to hard cast lead.

That stated, for jacketed, half jacketed
bullets have always been my favorite.
Only the sides and base of the bullet are
actually need any kind of jacketing,
unless your trying to get better barrier
(cover) penetration in a tactical
situation there is no need for jacketing
on the nose of the bullet. Plus if you do
end up with any leading from shooting cast
(usually user error) a half jacket where
the front edge of the jacket isn't crimped
in around the core but is a sharp edge
with a rebated nose profile is the best
lead scraper for the inside of a bore ever
invented.

Edited by turbo1889 on January 16 2019 at 12:52am


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Posted: January 16 2019 at 5:21am | IP Logged Quote Slick

Handgunr wrote:

Anyway, most of the slug moulds I've used have been
retired but I still use the Lyman sabots.....damn
accurate out of a rifled barrel. I bought a used
Remington Super Slug off the rack a couple years back
just to have it for slug shooting.....heavy barrel &
all....a scoped tack driver.

Nice to see ya...
Bob


Thanks Bob, I'm glad I found a solution for Internet access that I can take with me as this is going to be a huge and long move.

I've been casting up lots of the Lyman 525 "pellet-style" slugs, but haven't had a chance to test them against the Lee key-drive slugs. Lately, I've been working mostly on shorter 12ga slug loads since my KSG feeds even the Aguila mini-slugs. I'm glad they got the bugs worked out and the price on the KSG has come down a lot as well. I've only got about 300 rounds through mine (mostly wax slugs) and it's been fine so far.

For anyone that doesn't know - a "wax slug" is simply a dove or trap load that's had the shot dumped out into a crock-pot of liquid wax and then the shot is poured back into the shell - but along with wax that acts like a binder creating a highly frangible slug.

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Posted: January 17 2019 at 3:50pm | IP Logged Quote paul105

Been a fan of the .44 Mag for a long time – mostly influenced by Elmer Keith’s writings. Shot my first one in the early 60s and finally bought one back in the early 70s. About that time I sent a M29 to Magna Port Arms for an action job, shorten to 5”, port and hard chromed.

Started working with the 44s seriously about 19 years ago when I retired. I’ve had various S&Ws N-Frames (Mtn Gun, 329 PD, 6” Half Lug, 6 ½” Classic DX, 7 ½” Steath Hunter) and more recently both 4 ¼” and 2 ¾” M69 5 shot L Frames. Ruger was represented by 3 differnt Ruger Super Blackhawks, 7 ½” Redhawk and Super Redhawk and a 50th Anniv Blackhawk.

Also had a couple of lever guns – A 20” oct bbl Marlin cowboy and a 16” Rossi Model 92.

Carried three different 329s all day everyday for the better part of a decade. Shot a little over 9,000 rnds thru them with high end 44 special/low end .44 mag ammo. Figured if I was going to carry it, I ought to be reasonably proficient with it. Got tired of the wear and tear on both gun and anatomy so, when the M69s appeared, they became my go to .44 Mag.

329 carry gun



Started out shooting the 4 ¼” M69. Liked it so much I added two more (just in case S&W discontinued the model). Have shot two pretty extensively (one was function checked, sighted in and put in the safe) and fell in love with the platform, so when the 2 ¾” appeared, I bought one. I now have two of the short barreled guns and shoot them several times a week. They are my “current” go to .44 mags.

I have never hunted with them, just range use and back country carry.

Have loaded them mild to wild and enjoyed the journey with both types of loads. Recently chronoed some 305 gr Buffalo Bore and Underwood ammo in the 2 ¾” gun.

Buffalo Bore, 305 LBT LFN HC rated 1,325 fps
Underwood, 305 LFNGC Plated (HiTech?) rated 1,325 fps
LabRadar muzzle velocity at 33 deg F

S&W M69 2.75" ===> BB 1,195 fps ===> Under 1,147fps
S&W M69 4.25" ===> BB 1,276 fps ===> Under 1,248 fps
Ruger SRH 7.5" ===> BB 1,395 fps ===> Under 1,315 fps
My number one 2 ¾” gun has proven to be very accurate. I shot this at 50 yds rested over my range bag and verified it on a different date (to make sure it wasn’t a fluke). This is my carry load.



Here’s another one of my favorite loads – 265gr SWCGC (Lyman Thompson 429244), deep seated and crimped over front drive band, over 17.5gr A2400 and std primers. Shot from my number two gun at 25 yds rested on a carpet square. This load has been accurate in most .44s I’ve tried it in.



Here are a couple of groups with .44 special level in the 2 ¾” guns

250gr Keith (429421) deep seated and light crimp over front dr band, with 5.0gr WST rested at 25 yds. Same sight setting as above 265/17.5 2400.



Different gun (#1 2 ¾”) with unmodified S&W 500 X Frame grips.


Modified Hogue 500 X Frame grips (removed finger groves and rounded butt) bottom gun (duh):



Here’s a target shot with my first 4 ¼” M69 to show Point of Impact differences with various loads. Shot at 25 yds, same sight setting, same point of aim (center diamond). Only two rounds with each load to minimize target clutter and eliminate recoil induced fatigue.



I only get out for a couple of hours anymore. Go every day, but duration is shorter than when younger. I find the 2 ¾” M69 rides unnoticed in the right hip pocket of my Carharts.

Paul


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Posted: January 17 2019 at 8:54pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

Hello Paul! It's good to see you on here again. Obviously you're still getting your fair share of recoil.
I still shoot .44's quite a bit but find that the .454 and .475 are getting dusty...


I found it interesting that you're deep seating some of your loads for the 69's. Using magnum brass eliminates the carbon ring problem caused by .44 special brass. Is that your strategy with the deep seating?

I once bought a used M29 5" classic that had been fired exclusively with .44 spl brass and not cleaned much. It took a lot of soaking and scrubbing to get to the point where I could even chamber a magnum case.

Thanks for the pics and report.

Randy

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Posted: January 17 2019 at 9:11pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

As to the carbon ring problem from
shooting shorter cases in magnum chambers.
There Is/Was a company out there that
sells/sold bronze reamers for quick and
easy reaming out the carbon ring and
clearing the chamber without risking
damage to the chamber (steel is harder
then bronze). I bought one a decade or so
back for my 357-max break action single
shot carbine because it regularly gets fed
"a dog's lunch" of 357-mag and 38-spl
loads but I wish to maintain the ability
to switch to 357-max loads at the drop of
the hat.

Sorry, it's not marked with who made it
and I can't remember where I bought it and
who makes them, but I do remember they had
them for 44-mag. So might be worth
looking around on the net and seeing if
such a handy tool is still available.
Mine is one piece brass with the back side
squashed in a hydro-press or the like to
form a spoon shape to swist it by hand in
the chamber.

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Posted: January 17 2019 at 10:00pm | IP Logged Quote paul105

Randy,

I started deep seating certain bullets when working with the .45 Colt Freedom Arms M97 (short cylinder limited to right at 1.600” OAL). Fair number of cast SWC bullets wouldn’t meet OAL with conventional seating/crimping. Other than that, there are some reasons I carried it over to the .44 Mag for some bullets.

Better case neck tension.

Functions thru my lever guns.

Less likely to tie gun up with bullet jumping crimp.

A bit more efficient (smaller boiler room).

You can easily seat and crimp in the same die without any problems.

David Bradshaw did some tests (singleactions.com) with deep seating that actually showed better accuracy.

For the most part, I don’t use shorter cases in longer chambers for the reason you stated.

My 454, 480R, .475LB, and 500JRH are also gathering dust of late.

Paul
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Posted: January 18 2019 at 8:07pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

Paul

I never would have thought I could work up a case of lust for a 2 3/4" .44 Mag but that M69 of yours with the shaved down grip looks mighty tempting. The grip size appears to be a good balance with a gun that size.

Does the trimmed .500 grip recoil any less than the stock grip? What did you use to trim it down?

The logic behind deep seating made my dim little bulb flicker a bit and I may load up a few.

Randy

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Posted: January 18 2019 at 9:44pm | IP Logged Quote paul105

Randy,
The modified 500 X Frame grip handles recoil the same as the unmodified 500 X Frame grip. The modified X Frame grip is much more comfortable under recoil vs those that come with the gun from the factory.

I’ve modified several sets. I used a small belt sander knife sharpener on the first one, the drum sander on a Dremel for the second, and course sanding block on another.

The belt sander and the Dremel remove a lot of material in fairly short order and create a mess of little rubber pieces. If you use either, go slow in an area you don’t mind the mess. By its very nature, the sanding block is slow. You can go too far – you will see the white hard plastic start to appear thru the soft black rubber.

If you get to the point where want to give it a try, I’m pretty sure I have a set of worn out 500 X Frame grips that I can send you to practice on before working on a new set of grips.

Paul
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I load a lot of "plinking" loads for my .44/.45 using .430 and .454 round balls. I seat those 1/2" below the case mouth they are enough over size that they stay in place, this gives better, more uniform ignition with light charges of fast powder, which translates into better accuracy.
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I will say my favorite load from my S&W mod 29 8 3/8" with 240 grain JSP or Cast Sil GC has been with 16.2 grains of Blue Dot making 1360-1370 fps. They are very accurate too.



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Wow. Just wow. I have shied away from the short barrel M69, because I thought it lacked practicality. I freely admit that I was wrong; I think I might have to find the funds for one.

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Paul - I've never shot the Model 69 - overall you seem to like it?

I like my 5" 629, but honestly I carry it more as a "just in case a bear shows up" gun than anything else. The 69 might save some weight and bulk?

Hmmm...

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