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Posted: December 28 2018 at 8:22pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Out on the morning rounds today, I ran into two wolves, one a dark charcoal color and the other solid black. Both pretty good sized animals.

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I hear that the fur makes nice parkas....😀

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Posted: December 29 2018 at 6:16am | IP Logged Quote M700

John - how long have the wolves been in your area, in Oregon?

And are wolves completely off limits to shooting there?

Here in Washington, we can't hunt them, but the state has actually gotten fairly aggressive about taking out individual "problem" animals and even a couple of entire packs.

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Posted: December 29 2018 at 6:21am | IP Logged Quote M700

I'd guess it's been nearly ten years since the wolves re-appeared here in central Washington/Chelan County.

Has been interesting.

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Posted: December 29 2018 at 7:37am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

They have been here at least ten years. I either see or get a few pictures of them on trail cameras every year.

I have gotten to within 75 yards of wolves in the past these guys were quite a bit more wary.

They are pretty much protected here, they have gotten established to the point that there is some talk among the biologists to offer a tag, for a certain number by management unit.

Lots of unfavorable interactions with cattle. I will not tolerate them anywhere near my horses.

Still interesting to see them.
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Posted: December 29 2018 at 8:04am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

An interesting point, I had a big herd of elk through three days ago, the wolves were on the same track, two days and two inches of snow behind the elk.

I had probably between 10-12 bears in the neighborhood last summer, that's counting single males and females with cubs. During the bear season I seldom see the other big predators, now that the bears have denned up, I am seeing the other stuff.

It is good to live in the forest..
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Posted: December 29 2018 at 11:09am | IP Logged Quote M700

It is good. You see some wonderful stuff.

I like that bit about the wolves trailing that elk herd. Interesting...

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Posted: December 29 2018 at 11:19am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Just like the wild dogs following the Wildebeest in Africa, looking for the young and weak.
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I don't know if wolves or wild dogs are selective enough
to know which animals are old, young, sickly or weak. I DO
believe that they prey on whatever presents itself as a
target of opportunity.

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I am not a biologist, but my understanding is that the young, the old, and the ill/ injured (weak) tend to fall behind the herd, trailing on the outside of the main body, or even farther. Thus the old and weak are targets of opportunity. On the other hand, I've been around the block enough times to be able to spot a person who is ill, or weak, or lacks situational awareness; so I see no reason a wolf couldn't.

John,

I must confess a certain degree of envy at your opportunity to enjoy the natural world. I am at this moment attempting to improve my circumstance in that respect, but I doubt I will be able to see that variety of fauna.

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Posted: December 30 2018 at 7:49am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

A pack will take pretty much what they want, but a single wolf or even a hunting pair are more selective. A full grown elk can be a real challenge, the cows will gang up on a threat.

I had some cow elk put me up a tree, one night as I was returning to hunting camp, in the dark, with just my bow and no flashlight. Lots of interaction with elk, so I can see where a single wolf could have some difficulties.

My friend in BC is fond of mentioning that wild animals are smarter than we give them credit for, and they know there is no health care in the forest.

I am out in the forest every day, there are a lot of days when I don't see much, but those days when the bears or the other predators are passing through, and I get to see them, are priceless.

I have elk that wander through periodically, and to get within a few yards of one of the big bulls, will insure heart beat and respiration.

Out walking my fence line one spring morning, I got to within 20 feet of four young bulls all in velvet, they were checking the other side of my fence.


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Posted: December 30 2018 at 12:08pm | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

John, it is a joy that you can enjoy so much. The only
live wild elk that I've seen are those in the GSMNP, and
some of those are pretty tame, to a point... I ain't gonna
try to pet one, though

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Posted: December 30 2018 at 1:27pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Elk are pretty interesting, I have had a suspicion that the Fish and Game Dept., sends them copies of the hunting regs., because they seem to know when hunting season is over.

I talk to animals, and elk will listen, and seem to know if you are a threat or not.

Back before I built my hay barn I used to store a certain amount of hay outside. There was one old cow elk that used to regularly visit my hay stack, the dogs would go after her, and she would turn around and chase the dogs.

She did not pay much attention to me, but did not like the dogs.

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