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Posted: December 31 2018 at 10:49am | IP Logged Quote RT58

Desert Eagle41 wrote:
...I have a bout 6 manuals for reference but use the internet as I can get the latest info on any cartridge I am working on.


The trouble with getting information on anything from the internet is the credibility of who's posting it. Just like reading magazines and books. But it seems to be the way everyone gets information now, 'why open a book written by someone that knows what they're talking about, when I can ask a bunch of strangers on the internet, read 100's of responses and just choose the one that tells me what I want to hear?'. The internet does have some good information, but it's not always that easy to find.

When IMR started marketing Trail Boss it was all about the Cowboy shooting and reduced loads, but unless you picked up the little complimentary guides you might not have gotten the whole concept. CAS was the whole reason ADI starting making the stuff in the first place. If you read about it in a gun magazine you were more than likely misled as they don't get the whole "reduced velocity" concept either. The part about it being suitable in any cartridge is a bit of advertising hype, it's really not any more or less suitable than any other powder in it's burning rate class.

It is not some magical invention, the purpose is to keep carless handloaders from double charging light loads.

And Hodgdon does have load data for Trail Boss on their website.
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Posted: December 31 2018 at 11:35am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Yeah Hodgon has load data for bullets I don't want to load. I did say internet but I really meant the powder company websites. If I wanted lighter loads I would use a powder I knew and just load less within reason. I still say the whole idea is bogus. Craig

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Posted: December 31 2018 at 12:31pm | IP Logged Quote RT58

This may sound like heresy but you don't need exact data for each bullet you use. Choose a bullet that comes close and begin with the starting load. That's the way it's been done for decades.

The idea of using a manual from each bullet maker you plan on shooting is from the same people that think they need maximum velocities for everything they shoot. In other words, the guys that always suggest "at least three" manuals when asked which manual a new shooter should get.

I love reloading manuals, books and complimentary guides, and have a ton of them, but you must understand them. They are not exact and results will vary with any change in components, and that especially includes any change in lots of powder and primers. There is a lot more to them than just the load tables. (It is funny to listen to the "at least three" guys ask questions that are answered in each of the three they own, if they'd just read one of them they'd know.)

You are right Craig, you can use other powders to get the same results as Trail Boss, and for a lot less money too. Trail Boss is a lot like all the modern inventions were seeing for automobiles to make them better for people that refuse to pay attention to their driving.
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Posted: January 01 2019 at 7:55am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I am still on my first can of Trail Boss, the best application I have found for it, is in the .45ACP, 5.5 gr. with my 215 gr, RNFP bullet gives me around 850, and burns so clean you cannot tell the gun has been shot after a string.

The concept behind that powder is to give good uniform ignition, for older high volume handgun cartridges.

.38-40, .44-40 and .45 Colt., that powder has a real following among the cowboy action shooters. As I recall I paid as much for an 8oz. can, as I would have for a pound of Red Dot or something of similar ilk. So when this can is gone I will probably not rush out and get more.

I have been reloading for 60+ years, and have quite a collection of loading manuals, which I consult every time I do any reloading, there is a lot of variation in manuals. They are just guides, and without a chronograph, you really have no idea of what you are getting.

A far as being able to find data for a particular bullet, close is as good as it gets sometimes. With cast bullets it is even a bit more unsure, since there is so much variance in the weight of cast bullets, from even the same mold number. I have a couple of .358429 molds, one throws a 173 gr, bullet the other puts out 168 gr bullets from the same alloy.

The manuals are a guide, they tend to err on the side of caution.

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Posted: January 02 2019 at 9:01pm | IP Logged Quote rednekpaul

I bought some back when it came out and used it in 38-55, 45-70. Somebody recommended it so I had to try it. Didn`t impress me as I really didn`t see the point of it. I need to load some 45 colt so maybe I`ll use it up. I`ll never buy it again
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It's all a matter of what your trying to
do. It doesn't take all out loads to
punch holes in paper or bang on steel and
no chance of a double charge with Trail
Boss. I use it to make a real pussycat of
a target load for my 10mm G40 (upgraded
from my G20 and only cost my just under
$200 after I sold my old G20) that just
dribbles the brass out the side of the gun
in a nice pile right at my feet and uses
the same heavy 200gr. WFN cast lead bullet
I use for my full house loads.without
having to swap out recoil springs or any
other such nonsense. And as previously
mentioned it works really well in 45-ACP
and 45-Colt and also can be used for 454-
Cassul loads that are actually nice to
shoot without risking a double charge
because a double charge won't fit.

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The Trailboss can's have always had the "designed for high load density low
velocity lead bullet " printed on the label.
It does what it was designed for in handgun and the wcf cartridges pretty well.
In the rifle loads the velocity falls pretty short so the biggest problem with
accurate loads is the muzzle velocity is at or about the point where bullets if
shot at normal velocity for the cartridge will be dropping to the point of loosing
stability.
Use it for what it was intended for and it works fine.. a bit pricey in those 9 oz
jugs, but you don't run the risk of double charging a case.

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Posted: January 03 2019 at 9:16am | IP Logged Quote RT58

I like the fact that you can load revolvers to many different levels. I have little use around here for full power magnum loads and load few of them. Mostly I load moderate loads for social engagements but I do like to load sissy loads for all day range sessions.

I still have my first can of Trail Boss and it was used very little. While I don't need a lot of power to punch a hole in a piece of paper, accuracy is still high on my list and Trail Boss didn't impress me in any of the cartridges I used it in.

It was designed for dropping small charges in large cases, which was nothing new at the time, but it's main purpose is for people that load on progressive machines or are just careless when loading on any type of press.
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Posted: January 03 2019 at 9:30am | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

It works pretty well in cartridges like the 38 special and 32 H&R.
In the 38 it duplicates the old 2 gr of bullseye with a 148 gr wadcutter load,
only the case is fuller.


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