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Posted: January 04 2019 at 1:20pm | IP Logged Quote M700

I love Nordic skiing, and shooting, but have been unable to ever compete in Biathlon. One thing or another kept me from the sport.

So... I ski. I shoot. And I follow biathlon as best I can. Right now 25 year old Johannes Boe is atop the game. Just watched a video of his convincing win in Czechoslovakia.

The competitors ski a lap
Go prone, shoot five shots
ski a lap
go prone, shoot five shots
ski a lap
from standing, shoot five shots
ski a lap
from standing, shoot five shots
ski a lap

Boe shot clean, twenty hits, no misses. He took his time on the shooting, trying for perfection, 'cause he knows he's the fastest Nordic skier in the biathlon world right now. Finished more than 30 seconds ahead of the next guy!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Thingnes_B%C3%B8

I'd rather be competing in the biathlon than watching it. But it's interesting to see anyway.

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Posted: January 04 2019 at 3:11pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

If you get the Olympic Channel on dish, or cable, they cover the Biathalons
pretty regular.
I priced a biathlon rifle.... Folks think it's expensive to get into BPCR will get a
severe case of the vapors if they look at what those biathlon rifles cost.

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Posted: January 04 2019 at 4:52pm | IP Logged Quote M700

LOL!

Ya, about 20 years ago there was a glut of Russian "Ismash" - that might be right? 22 Biathlon rifles on the market here. I didn't buy one. Should have.

A serious Biathlon rifle is big bucks indeed.

Lordy, those guys are athletes! I heard the description once of a Nordic ski racer as a marathoner, with 20 - 30 pounds of muscle added. Yup. I'd agree with that.

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Posted: January 04 2019 at 5:04pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Love to watch those matches.
The bolt throw on those rifles is amazingly short and slick

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Posted: January 04 2019 at 5:06pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

I shoot bptr with an older gentleman who grew up in Austria, and was actually
on the Austrian Biathlon team in the 50's. One heck of a good shot, and he's a
terrific spotter/coach

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Posted: January 04 2019 at 9:02pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Cool!

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Love the sport! Now, finally they are covering much more than they
ever did before.
Tried it years ago at my own club. Made my own course around the
acreage. That skiing is the killer! I didn't have the rifle the do but
improvised with my own Winchester 52D. They all thought I was crazy,
but you have to start somewhere and at least try.
It takes so much mind, body control. They are the real true athletes in
my eyes.
It is the essence of real sport.
As a side note....HOW CAN THEY SKI THAT FAST! They more double
my speed at cross country.
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Always seemed like an interesting sport, two opposing things; precision shooting and hard aerobic activity.

When I was teaching JROTC in Topeka, a peer at another school was trying to set something like this up for our air rifle teams. No skiing, but the targets would be up, individual rifles out, then the whole firing order would run a lap around the campus, enter the range, shoot a round and repeat until the number of rounds for that course were done. He had worked out a formula to score based on score and time. We both ended up transferring to other schools before we got to do it and now I don't have any rival programs close by, but I think it would be a really cool competition.

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Posted: January 05 2019 at 10:07pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

For a contained range doing "Kasarda
Drills" is another option if you want to
work on being a good shot when your
breathing hard and your heart is pumping.

Basically you get a big heavy something
(example 60-lb kettlebell) that for you is
hard to lift much less throw but not so
heavy you can't throw it. You set it up
with big heavy thing on the start line and
a mark a finish line a good 20-to-50 yards
downrange and put up a steel plate target
even further down range to whatever is
your liking both for range and target
size.

Start timer. Grab the big heavy and toss
it as far as you can (10-feet or more is
average throw). Run to where it landed
and get down to prone. Shoot at the
target until you get one good hit. Jump
up and grab the big heavy and toss again.
Repeat until you finally get the big heavy
up to the finish line and make the final
hit at the finish line. Stop timer on the
final hit.

During the entire run you must observe gun
safety, keep the muzzle pointed in a safe
direction and on safe when moving and
getting up and down.

Believe me you will be breathing hard and
heart pounding and probably sweating and
skinned knees etc. . . . Especially if you
have a friend or two with which you are
taking turns running the same course and
having friendly competition with.

It's usually run with rifle but can be
adjusted for handgun or tactical shotgun
with slugs or buck as well.

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Posted: January 06 2019 at 9:35am | IP Logged Quote M700

Turbo - You do that drill? Sounds fun & tough!

With the cops, particularly the SWAT cops, we did a lot of things to combine physical exertion with shooting. Made for some tough training. I think it was important though.

Sometimes we'd combine a run, and pushups, then shoot a challenging, fast-paced course of fire. That was pretty typical.

Sometimes we'd move, lift, drag, something heavy, then shoot.

It was good stuff!

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Posted: January 06 2019 at 1:28pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Yup, for the last two years or so I have
added Kasarda Drills to my shooting.
Whenever I have a good long range session
I usually do some general range shooting
then run a Kasarda Drill and then
recreational shoot for awhile then run a
Kasarda Drill again after a long enough
break to be rested from the previous one.
Now some range sessions I do skip it if
the range is crowded, it's a really hot
day, or I am doing load development work
with chrony and/or pressure trace
equipment setup.

When I've got the range to myself I run a
full up standard Kasarda Drill where each
toss advances towards the target further
down range, sometimes also if just one or
two other people at the range who don't
mind ceasing fire while I make a run or
wish to join me and try it themselves or
advance on the target and move in parallel
with me even though they aren't tossing
the big heavy and getting up and down so
that neither one of us is firing from a
line behind the others.

If others at the range don't wish to
cooperate to that level but are willing to
leave a good 3+ shooting bays on one end
of the line open a modified Kasarda Drill
is still possible by tossing the big heavy
back and forth side to side with a set
number of tosses needed to complete a run.
That isn't quite the same though since
there isn't as much incentive to try to
toss as far as possible on each toss when
advancing forward towards a finish line as
in a standard Kasarda Drill.

Of course the drill can be modified in
other ways. You can reduce the weight of
the big heavy, you can drop to one knee
instead of all the way to prone (how I
usually do it with handgun and shotgun)
you can also have the direction which you
toss the big heavy towards the finish
point by at an angle off to one side.

That is why I like the Kasarda Drill
format for combining physical stress with
shooting for training it can be adapted to
almost any shooting and range situation
and only requires two props (big heavy +
target) and a timer of some sort.

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Um, that's amazing, will add to training. I may set up a biathlon course on the new property, too. Doing some math, I would need to do about 4 laps around the property for each relay, assuming I was doing a sprint (10k). Don't have any 1.8 inch steel, but for now, the old 8 inch should do the trick.

Also, there is a primitive version done on snowshoe with muzzleloader: http://www.svtpb.org/about.htm



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Posted: January 06 2019 at 9:03pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Very Cool!   
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