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We have lovesrugers to thank for suggesting this question, which seems like a good one to me. Some of us don't load anything more exotic than a 45 Colt, others load rounds where they practically have to cast their own brass. Do you handload any non standard cartridges?
Yes, requires complex brass forming
Yes, requires simple brass forming
Yes, factory brass available
No, I only load common cartridges with factory components
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I load for the 30-30 ackley improved. Just simple fireforming, but practically no pressure tested data to go by.
The 405 is somewhat exotic as the only reliable brass is from Hornady, and the bullet selection is minimal. Finding a cast bullet for it has been a long search, with little success.
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What's the difference between complex and simple brass forming? Also, how does one form brass? Is it like, starting out with .380 brass and necking it down to be .32NAA brass? Or can anyone here actually create brass from scratch?
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I always wanted a Dornus & Dixon Bren 10... Seeing what happened to such a fine gun, I knew from there on out to stick to 9mm & .45 acp
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I reload for 25-303 & .310 cadet.For years several australian companies sold factory ammo for the 25-303 but in recent years it's back to full lenght resizing from 303 down to 25. Although this can be done with one pass of the die ,I prefer to do it in two stages ,270 & then 257 as it seems to put less stress on the Brass .Even then I aneal the new cases before loading there by avoiding split necks! With the 310 I either get Bertram brass or trim back 32-20 cases & then fire form them to the .310.
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Zorn, for me the difference between complex and simple is:
Simple only requires necking down or up and maybe some trimming.
Complex requires necking up or down, reaming the neck area, trimming for length and possibly using a lathe to turn down the rim size for thickness and or width.
I hope this helps.
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I load for a .375 Taylor. This is the .338 Win. mag. necked up to take .375 caliber bullets. The round does anything a .375 H&H can do using a standard 30-06 length action.
As I also own a .338 Win. mag., I make my Taylor brass by necking down .458 Win. brass and trimming just enough to square up the necks.
For those interested, the rifle is built on a Ruger 77 tang safety model with a douglas XX barrel. I have yet to put a set of iron sights on the rifle, and it has an old all steel Weaver 3X scope with post and crosshair. The interesting thing about the rifle, which is in a Ramline stock, is it weighs 7.5 pounds. The recoil, while noticable is less than what I feel from a 9.5 pound Ruger #1 in .375 H&H. Accuracy is superb.
I have also necked up 7mm Rem. Mag. brass for the Taylor. which involved annealing and opening the neck up in stages. from 30 cal, to .338, then anneal again, to 35 cal., then .375 with a final anneal. Works out well, although a bit of a PITA. Then, I figured out, why do all that work when I can just neck down .458 Win. brass, square of the necks and load.
That's another neat thing about the round. You can fireform with a full power load. There's no difference in point of impact between the first fireforming load and one in a fully formed case.
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Well, I load for the .300 H&H mag which is on the edge of becoming a non standard round. Shame too, it's a good one.
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7.7x58mm JAP.
I have to cut off a 1/4 inch and set the shoulder back on .30 '06 brass for that one. Not too difficult. I've done the same thing for 7.92x57 Mauser cartridges. (They are pretty close to being the same cartridge actually, the only real difference being the size of the bullets.)
As an experiment several years ago when I got my lathe, I made .45 ACP brass out of some 1/2 inch brass stock I had, but it took me forever to get one with the correct measurements, and ruined about 3 of them before that. It is possible, but the labor involved with a non CNC controlled machine is pretty extensive and time-consuming. I imagine with a CNC automatic feed/turret lathe you could program it to make one every 15 or 20 seconds, but I seriously doubt many individuals would be able to afford one of those if you can just buy the brass from somebody...
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I am milk-toast. I load the .30-06, .300 Weatherby and .38/.357. Does not get more standard than that.
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Just recently, I bought some Rem .35 Whelen brass. I still use .30-06 brass to neck up to .358", but thought it would be nice to actually have some factory brass.
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For me it's a .338-06 Ackley Imp. Nothing more complicated than necking down .35 Whelen brass and fireforming. Also a .22 BR made by necking down 6mm BR lapua brass.
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8X57 Long Neck...
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I make .303 Savage from .30-30 by adding a ring ahead of the rim, 6.5x54MS , same thing, but turn rim down to .440, also make .303 Savage from .220 Swift by resizing, fire forming and trimming to length.
Make .357 shot shells from .357Max cases by sizing the first 5/16" down to .355, .45acp shot shells from any .470 head rimless case, resize .8" with a .457 die and trim to 1.6" and .44mag. shotshells from .30-40 or .303 Brit. cases by turning down rim, thinning rim , trimming to 1.65" and sizing the first .8" down with .457 die, the shotshells also have to have the flash hole drilled out to 7/64" to keep the primers from backing out and locking up the cylinder, of course , all these are used in revolvers.
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Right now,
I do a wild cat 25-06. I push the shoulder back, then fireform.
17 Mach IV. Neck down, reshape the shoulder, turn necks, then fireform.
I made some 17 Javelina. Those took a little work.
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8X56R Hungarian.
Brass is obtainable...sort of. Reformed .45-70 brass works for others, but not in my rifle. Bertram makes it, but I got one bad batch. I hear Graf is selling some, but haven't tried any.
Bullets are equally iffy since the diameter is nominally .329".
It's a shame; I really like mine.
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Rod;
Yes , Graf has some brass, a friend had been using 7.62x54R brass, but it had a very short neck, he has some of the Graf brass and likes it.
He has found a source of .329 bullets, too.
Lee does have a 205gr gas check mold, so cast bullets is an option, at least for those who cast.
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I used to make cases for 7.5 MAS from 6.5 x 55 Swedish brass until I found FNM loaded rounds in boxer cases. Glad I found them. The 6.5 cases would for a shiny ring like the head was going to separate after 2 or 3 firings.
Someone gave me some 270 cases that I turned into 8mm Mauser cases since I don't own a 270. Kind of a lot of work, but they're holding up well.
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Thanks, drinks.
I wonder if the mold could be modified to eliminate the GC provision? I think that the velocity might be low enough with this round not to need one.
I have read of the problem with the short neck of the modified Russian brass. Some say so short as not to hold the bullets properly.
Guess I need to buy something from Graf's.
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